But it is true, many on here have touted him as a "future international", "could be world class" blah blah blah. His defence is woefully short of being SL standard. As was said by someone else he's too windy.

Also, having a dig at someone for rating Turner is the most ironic piece on this thread, given your blind defence of Hall sometimes.

And that perfectly sums up your lack of any real knowledge of the game.

Anyone calling any professional RL player windy couldn't be further from the mark.

Other than jumping out of the line i thought Hally was pretty solid last night and looks a lot more comfortable at left centre.

Forgive me if i take what you say with a pinch of salt. I've read enough of your posts on the SinBin to realise your not in touch with reality.

windmill boy is not good enough for super league ?
he'd have trouble directing traffic the way he waves his arms at defenders



ok so the lad can score some great tries (when he gets it right) but i'm sure he will always concede more than he scores.

not good enough and no one will convince me otherwise.

same goes for washbrook if Agar insists on playing him at No 6

One or two have suggested he's a future international. I haven't. And being an England international doesn't qualify as being world class in my book anyway. All I've ever said is that used and coached correctly he has the [ipotential[/i to be a very good SL centre. I still think that's the case, although I'm beginning to doubt he'll ever achieve that potential here.

I've defended Hall when I think he's been unfairly criticised. I'm certainly not blind to his faults and have mentioned them on several occasions. His defence varies from decent to shocking and I'm losing patience with him for not making enough progress in that aspect of his game. But he does get panned on here for things that other players get away with, and he has had some mitigating circumstances that some like to ignore. I hate it when players get picked out that way and things get personal, so I tend to jump in.

The problem with folk on here is that they go OTT about things, and anyone who tries to give a balanced view is invariably slated by one side or the other. I just call it as I see it. Hall isn't as bad as some think, and isn't as good as others think. Life tends to be like that.

For as long as Hall is coached by Agar and the rest , We will simply see no improvement with him . It's not only with Hall . Other players haven't kick on as they would have at top clubs.

Now, that i do agree with.
Whiting cost us a try last night flapping at a high ball but no one seems to mention it.

I think that's because Whiting has, overall, been excellent this season. When you're playing to the standard he does week in week out, your mistakes are more easily forgiven.

There aren't to many in Superleague, in the NRL however there is bags of them and that and our dearth of fullbacks are two of the main reasons why we are so far behind the Aussies imo.

Hall is the best attacking centre we have had since Barnett imo.

True, he made up for it in the second half aswell i suppose.

More than.

He also shot out of the line for an interception, missed, and gave the ball back to Wakey. He did this because there was an overlap. There was an overlap because he'd come in off his wing. He'd come in off his wing because the sliding defence hadn't slid properly.

Hall has found himself in the exact same situation several times in every game he's played on the wing. When it happens to Hall, it's all his fault. When it happens to Whiting, suddenly the people who slate Hall can see the circumstances that contribute to the mistake. It's things like that that grind my gears TBH.

AA makes a good point that players who are generally doing well are more readily forgiven the odd mistake, and there's no doubt that 'error fatigue' plays a part in Hall's case, but I just wish that people could step back a little and be more balanced in their criticism.

Anyway - that's got that off my chest.

Carry on.

Like this, you mean:



He's more like Kirk Dixon. But without the defensive abilities.

Name me one player who disproves what I have said. One with flair, pace and an ability to put his winger away.

You've forgotten how poor our centres have been since Barnett left, haven't you?

I've really tried to remain balanced with Hall, but I've reached the point now where I just don't think he'll ever make the sort of player we need to compete at a decent level. He has the heart of a mouse, too, which doesn't help.

Not really, I just don't think Hall is better than any of them.

My comment wasn't really aimed at you, and I do understand what you mean. I'm having to grit my teeth to maintain any faith myself TBH. I'm tending to think now that Hall will never fulfil any potential he may have while he's being coached by Agar.

I think he is in attack - he certainly has a better scoring and assist record. As an overall 'package' maybe not at the moment.

I'm really undecided about Hall. He seems to easily lose confidence, focus or whatever else you might call it and, as has just been said, he also seems to have the heart of a mouse.

That said, I would like to see what a good coach, or even an average one, would do with his undoubted ability and potential but he's not going to have that opportunity unless he leaves us or the powers that be start to realise that Agar is actually only pretending to be a SL coach.

I'd be infavour of sending him down to an Aussie club for a season.

I've remained sufficiently in touch with reality to never label any preofessional RL player as windy. How many times have you pulled on a pro jersey and played?

That's an interesting idea and with Fitz, O'Meley and Moore all with contacts down under could be relatively easy to sort out.

A season long loan a la Tansey to the Roosters would benefit Hall and Hull.

Hall is polarising because he shows glimpses of excellence in attack but is consistently average at best in defence. Whiting on the other hand has far less flair, but visible attitude and application and has stepped up his game this season so significantly that he is now one of the first names on the teamsheet. For some fans, and I include myself in them, I love to see the visible effort that Whiting puts in, and, rightly or wrongly, like him as a player better than Hall for it. I understand that you need the right blend of qualities in a squad and can't just go with a team of 17 "triers".

So we then get onto the point around Hall not realising his potential being all Agar's fault. If this is true, then Whiting's step up to be a regular MOM contender must also be all Agar's doing. For all the talk of Hall being played out of position by Agar, Whiting has had a far less fair crack of the whip as he is a loose forward who has played every position bar prop and pretty much none at his preferred postion.

Or the alternative scenario is that Whiting has taken it upon himself to succeed despite Agar's cluelessness and has done a pretty fine job of it. In which case the opportunity is there for Hall to do the same.

Clearly the truth is somewhere in between. The acid test of Hall's potential will be how many of the top clubs are seeking him out for next season.