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| Frankly I have to say that looking a what is coming up this was a must win for me, it was a big game in the bigger scheme of things and Reece should never have played, Whiting on wing and Hall at centre or vice versa for me. Poor, poor decision by our coach. Plus he seems to lack the ability to get the team in the right frame of mind in these games in which the players are not motivated by the occassion or opposition. Reece did Ok but his side was targetted and it could well knock his confidence.
In answer to the the thread title ....Moa! Everyone else on and off the field to a greater and lesser extent should have a long hard look at themselves I think.
Four diifficult games coming up and we could have been facing them in joint top position but for our inability to turn up in the same frame of mind for all games! Its not all the coaches fault but its not all the players faults either.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Frankly I have to say that looking a what is coming up this was a must win for me, it was a big game in the bigger scheme of things and =#8000FFReece should never have played, Whiting on wing and Hall at centre or vice versa for me. Poor, poor decision by our coach. Plus he seems to lack the ability to get the team in the right frame of mind in these games in which the players are not motivated by the occassion or opposition. Reece did Ok but his side was targetted and it could well knock his confidence.
In answer to the the thread title ....Moa! Everyone else on and off the field to a greater and lesser extent should have a long hard look at themselves I think.
Four diifficult games coming up and we could have been facing them in joint top position but for our inability to turn up in the same frame of mind for all games! Its not all the coaches fault but its not all the players faults either.'"
Exactly, Wilf.
Agar has proved himself time and time again to be inept at picking a team or motivating them. There will always be differences of opinions but some of his selections are plain crazy.
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| The back line is a shambles, Reece is a good player, as are a number of our 20's, but he's not ready yet, especially with the back line we have, a young inexsperienced centre that plays on the wing, a second centre who's a utility player (and i rate Rich), no credable replacment for a first team winger, a first select centre who carn't or won't pass, scores try's by bulldozering, doesent make breaks with foot work, also a promissing centre who is floated in and out of the team for no particular reason, not good realy.
How can we exspect to be consistent when the coach, carn't or wont play players in the positions they need to play, i'd sooner loan them out, Briscoe needs to be playing centre day in day out, we will end up with what we have had, a team of half good players, no specialists, by the time the younger ones lift their heads up they are 23 with no set position, not good, Washy, Lee to name a couple, the good youth will go, if the policey continues.
When Saints or Wigan float youngsters in, they do seem to stick around, coaching from first team to youth seems far too disjointed to me.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Frankly I have to say that looking a what is coming up this was a must win for me, it was a big game in the bigger scheme of things and Reece should never have played, Whiting on wing and Hall at centre or vice versa for me. Poor, poor decision by our coach. Plus he seems to lack the ability to get the team in the right frame of mind in these games in which the players are not motivated by the occassion or opposition. Reece did Ok but his side was targetted and it could well knock his confidence.
In answer to the the thread title ....Moa! Everyone else on and off the field to a greater and lesser extent should have a long hard look at themselves I think.
Four diifficult games coming up and we could have been facing them in joint top position but for our inability to turn up in the same frame of mind for all games! Its not all the coaches fault but its not all the players faults either.'"
Agree 100% about Moa Wilf. Thought he was our best prop by far last night and yet Agar played him for what, 15 minutes? Baffling to say the least and he will probably drop him for Cusack next friday too.
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| Quote ="Thickheadnoneck"The back line is a shambles, Reece is a good player, as are a number of our 20's, but he's not ready yet, especially with the back line we have, a young inexsperienced centre that plays on the wing, a second centre who's a utility player (and i rate Rich), no credable replacment for a first team winger, a first select centre who carn't or won't pass, scores try's by bulldozering, doesent make breaks with foot work, also a promissing centre who is floated in and out of the team for no particular reason, not good realy.'"
Been banging on about our squad imbalance for months, re the back line lack of experienced quality and the need to replace Raynor and use the last quota spot for a back. The pack has been superior enough in games like Saints away and Hudds at home for this to be compensated for, but when the forward advantage is negated, our weakness in the backs has been, sadly, easily exposed, like Wigan away and last night apparently. Agar has chosen this squad and the weakness in the back line is down to him.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Thought the young lad did not do too bad for his first SL appearance, he showed some signs bagged his first try..he needs to work on his defence, he will have learnt it is a massive step, the mere strength of the hits and pace of the game...He will learn loads from his experience he is still young and will turn out to be a great player in a few years time.'"
I hope he plays against us next week, looked good taking the ball out of defence but damn dodgy under the high ball and made a huge error in not taking a simple ball which led to a try.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I hope he plays against us next week, looked good taking the ball out of defence but damn dodgy under the high ball and made a huge error in not taking a simple ball which led to a try.'"
He won't play next week.FACT
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| the only good thing to come out of last night is that my car got home again ..............performance was c**p!!!!!
Agar out
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"He won't play next week.FACT
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Oh well, we will just have to kick to the other 2 clueless players who cant take a bomb
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Two..........your being generous!! Pick and 2 from 13
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| Quote ="Carefree1959"Two..........your being generous!! Pick and 2 from 13
and if you have not guessed yet I am very p***ed off'"
I dont blame you pal, think your team just went into the game with a poor attitude.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I dont blame you pal, think your team just went into the game with a poor attitude.'"
Agree and it should be Agar's job to make sure the attitude is right.By the way what is your teams excuse?.
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"Agree and it should be Agar's job to make sure the attitude is right.By the way what is your teams excuse?.
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Only watched the first half performance so far so I will comment later and trust me, we aint been good at all yet this season.
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| we never come out fired up. taks us10 mins to get going this must come down to the coaches .
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He dropped a bomb but then I guess no other winger has ever done that.'"
shall we also try the simple collect when covering the kick through or did you conviniently miss that one as well??
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| We were sloppy from the first minute last night. I was hoping a good half time team talk may have sparked them into life but that was not to be instead we continued to piggy back Salford up the pitch with penalty after penalty.
We had better see a positive reaction by all the players on Friday.
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| Positives??
None that I can recall. Got a bit of enjoyment from some of the collisions.
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| Thought Reece did Ok, looked strong in attach and his pace won us a couple of penaltys, i have been saying all week that he wasnt quite ready for the first team, needs a bit more strenght as was shown when trying to tackle Broughton.
If the teams displine was better he wouldnt have been put in that position.
He will get better and hopfully he we get another chance later in the season.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Thought Reece did Ok, looked strong in attach and his pace won us a couple of penaltys, i have been saying all week that he wasnt quite ready for the first team, needs a bit more strenght as was shown when trying to tackle Broughton.
If the teams displine was better he wouldnt have been put in that position.
He will get better and hopfully he we get another chance later in the season.'"
Did we even touch the ball in the first 15 minutes of the second half? Very poor
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| Quote ="Faithful One"Did we even touch the ball in the first 15 minutes of the second half? Very poor'"
Not really we gave away 4 penalties in the first few minutes of the 2nd half.
Agar needs to sort it, if this poor disapline contiunes we wont be winning many more games this season.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not really we gave away 4 penalties in the first few minutes of the 2nd half.
Agar needs to sort it, if this poor disapline contiunes we wont be winning many more games this season.'"
Absolutely. I'm so annoyed at that 'performance' last night. Experienced players trying ridiculous things with the ball in hand, and ending up knocking it on. Fitz was poor last night. Lauaki... the stupidity of trying to pass on the first tackle in our 30 like he did was ridiculous. They weren't the only two by far, but just a couple that spring to mind, probably because of the standard of players they are.
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| I`m positive I was pulling my hair out watching the game on telly.Knock ons,forward passes,gobbing off, it took me all my time not to put my foot through the screen.
No disrespect to Salford,but if Hull wanted to stamp their authority on the league, then we should be winning against these teams who are struggling a little.
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| One Positive 4me! Us lot got in free! In fact fook that.. It was a fookin rip off!
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| Quote ="rollalong"One Positive 4me! Us lot got in free! In fact fook that.. It was a fookin rip off!
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