Insulted my intelligence? Nudge Nudge.......

I questioned why you accused me of saying something that was the opposite of what I actually said. Do you have a better answer than the one I came up with?

I was replying mainly to his physicality ( not bad for a fookin Dumbo eh? Supercilious tw*t) as you mentioned, I really can't be d to argue with someone with such superior intellect. Just going to ask you to look at his stats for an example at the Wakey away game. Not bad for a non-physical player eh?

Agree entirely about Radford - I would take that a stage further and replace your '13' with 'the team'.

I would replace Thorman with Whiting and play Horne at FB if he can play next week. If not then Whiting will have to play FB which he did very well despite not being one. My first priority would always be to remove Thorman from the team. I accept that maybe Rich Whiting hasn't entirely demonstrated a LF workrate but that was the point of my original post - he now needs to be given an opportunity there or SO. Washbrook is not as clever as Whiting in my view and didn't do a great deal earlier in the season to impress however he is bigger. I would be happy if Whiting was given a chance at SO with Berrigan next week. As I say he has the attributes to be the new Crooke and next year he could play with Longy if no other SO is recruited.

You're the only one throwing around the insults. Before this, you tried to make out that I'd claimed Whiting couldn't handle tackling bigger players. I said the exact opposite. If you're still trying to argue against something I didn't say, go right ahead. You won't have much opposition. If you're trying to argue against something I did say, can you make your argument a bit clearer so I at least have something to respond to.

I'd like to avoid having Horne at fullback almost as much as I'd like to avoid having Radford at 13 (or, as you say, in the team at all). Whilst Whiting would probably (almost certainly, in fact) offer more at 6 than Horne has been, I think it would be better overall for Whiting to remain at fullback and for Horne to come in alongside Berrigan.

It will be interesting to see what happens if Horne is out for a period of time and what happens when he returns.

I'd personally like to see him given a go at 6/13. I've said about him playing 13 all season and think it's about time he is given a chance to show what he can do in a more pivotal role.

But but but but....F/B IS a pivitol role to some on here.

You're an idiot.
Whiting is an awesome player, but he has the speed of a slug, a dead slug.

Did Leeds kicking game turn to a crock of sh*te 2nd half or did Whiting read the game perfectly positional wise to take all those kicks on the full?

Bit of both. Think he tends to stand deeper at FB than Horne or Motu giving him more time but he also read them very well. I'd be tempted to give him a few games there.

Soory i forgot that Wellens has speed to burn........

He's got more speed than Whiting
Whiting should be playing 13.

Highly doubtfull on 1st Qoute

Totally agree on 2nd post.

Same for me:

1) No he hasn't.

2) Yes he should (or 6).

cooke's a lot fatter

Give him another shot at FB for me. He's only played 50 (?) minutes there, and played them well, so would be good to see if he can perform like that consistently. I don't see why we should move him into another position if he's played well in one we're lacking in.

1. Whiting
6. Horne
7. Berrigan

Around the head and waist.

And especially between the ears.

I mentioned earlier in the season that Whiting should play fullback and got only laughing smilies. He has a very good rugby brain, that's his biggest asset and at fullback he can use it to position himself. Keep him there until the end of the season.

Only problem for next season is I am not sure where he would fit into the 17. Definately an excellent squad player though.

I agree, he's a natural sportsman, you can tell by the way he catches, kicks and has the sense to be in the right place at the right time, best of our utility players in my opinion and should be kept at the club.

You don't have to be fast as a f/b you have to be able to read the play catch the high boom and bring it back (clear your line ) and link up ..he can make a break but hasn't the speed to go the full length of the pitch ..one of our BEST rugby brains in the team

Read the game brilliant ..

Whiting should stay at fullback for now see how he goes Horney back to 6 and Thorman back to the dole queue. G.Horne dropped and Hall back at centre.

If Whiting carries on at fullback I think it would be worth giving Horne a chance at LF. Certainly better than persisting with Radford there.

Depends if we have made a genuine move for Rooney, Horne could do very well at 13, he has the defence for it and it would allow him to "float" in and out of attacking situations as required. Whiting reads the game well so fb would be a god move, he can also take a high ball, the only issue is his pace if he is ever genuinely "last man", but with a decent structure to the side then it could be avoided.

2010 could see:

1 - Tansey
2 - Calderwood
3 - Yeaman
4 - Berrigan
5 - Raynor
6 - Rooney
7 - Long
8 - Fitzgibbon
9 - Houghton
10 - O'Meley
11 - Lauaki
12 - Horne (G)
13 - Horne (R)

Whiting
Washbrook
Manu
Briscoe
Burnett
Hall
Moa
Cusack

Which leaves us looking for winger(s) for 2011 onwards and cover at hooker stepping up from the reserves, also gets rid of Radford, King, Tickle, Thacks. (ie:the pi55 heads)