i agree,
i'd love to be able to see him running out a bit wider.

That's why I said the players we have occasionally have games where they add more impact. He was very good in his first spell against Wire (less so in his second one), but doesn't do it on a weekly basis.

None of our props or back rowers offer much in attack for me. I doubt any of them would be pursued by the top 6 teams in SL if we released them

Manu?

Would many of the top six be interested in players like Kirke, Ablett etc?

Every club has stand out and squad players and we are no different.

Who are our stand out forwards?

I think Kirke would be our stand out forward if he was at Hull.

Berrigan, Manu, Washbrook. I would not call our props standouts but the likes of Dowes and Cusack's contributions are often underrated.

Eh

Stand out forward? Can someone give me a definition because I’m yet to see any of our forwards (or backs for that matter) ‘stand out’ this season. Reading through some of the stuff on this forum I would recommend blinkers to be removed.

Manu is the only forward that would attract the attentions of the top SL clubs and he would probably be fantastic in a good team.

Horne and Briscoe are probably the only two backs that would be pursued.

That says a lot about our current squad whish has so few "stand out players" a too many that "do a job".

too many average players + average coaches = average team

I think most teams would want Dowes.

Raynor and Yeaman would be snapped up and used correctley.

Raynor would be aswell but Yeaman would have to take a big wage cut if he is currently being paid the "GB international salary" at Hull. Nobody would pay him as much as we do.

As for Dowes ???

another "does a job" forward. You're not syaing that Leeds, Saints, Bradford, Wire, Cats etc.. would want him are you ???

He's an ok forward who works hard and is certainly worth his place in our squad but he is the epitome of a hull forward. Works hard and offers nothing in attack. We have a pack full of those.

All teams need/have a workhorse

He is would get into Leeds and Saints 17 IMO, he is better than Bailey and Hargreaves.

Also put some of our average players into Saints or Leeds teams they would look like world beaters.

Of course all teams need a workhorse but we have a pack full of them.

Dowes is a decent workhorse but if you think that Leeds, Saints etc.. would want to snap him up if he were to become available, your opinion of him is way too high.

In Dowes, Cusack, Radford, Tickle, King we have such an ordinary workhorse pack and it is the biggest reason (along with playing without a SH) that we are as poor as we are.

Dowes would be a better forward if most of those other forwards were replaced with more quality.

I THINK KIRKE WOULD BE OUR BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT FORWARD!

Like I said, eh



If you actually believe that then I am not wasting my time disagreeing with you. Kirke is a solid player and would do the same job for most other SL teams.

Because our pack is simply packed with quality right? Kirk has line impact and pace which is something our pack is sorely lacking.

Lauaki will massively improve our pack.

I agree.

I think he will aswell lets just hope he has kept himself fit , anyone know if he is still training with NZ warriors ?

He will prove to be an excellent signing, if we ever see him.

dont worry he will be here paul, j rule said so

Ah right, no worries then

At last!! - We have a winner!!