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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"But they did take 1,700,000 fans with them to the JJB, it says so on their board!'" I guess you didn't bother to actually read the thread in question then
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| Quote ="dravid67"Who was the 1st ??? Hutch
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| Quote ="j_hunter_hkr""Ordinary squad"? It was such a good post, too...'"
It's not an outstanding squad if you go through it player by player. The strength of it is in the way the players fit together as a whole, and the way Morgan has them playing as a unit.
You don't need a superstar squad if you get the key positions right and you coach them well. Morgan is easily the most important factor in your success IMO.
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| Quote ="me 'n' our kid"HKR...........top of the league with an ordinary squad
but with an outstanding albiet obnoxious coach, and a board room full of people from Hull and ex players swarming like sharks around the club and players.
We are so far adrift of reality it's not funny.
There you go, I've said it we are 2nd best to the dobbins within 3 years, and I defy anybody to say different, we are run by incompetents.'"
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"Good player but you're right, never fit. James Smailes said on Sportstalk (with the boycott many of you might not have heard this) that Dykes never took part in a full training session in his time at the club.
Also, he's voted in the latest Rugby League World as the tenth worst import EVER (add echo).
Bit harsh for someone who simply wasn't fit.'"
i think him being the 10th worst import ever is very harsh, he was man on the match in every round of the CC for us for starters, and he may have made the difference in the final
and if they've missed Maivia off they've done very poor research, he was one of the poorest players i've ever seen in the black and white.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's not an outstanding squad if you go through it player by player. The strength of it is in the way the players fit together as a whole, and the way Morgan has them playing as a unit.
You don't need a superstar squad if you get the key positions right and you coach them well. Morgan is easily the most important factor in your success IMO.'"
they've bought players in the correct positions, I woulden't say their and wingers are anything exciting...but it doesn't matter when they have Cooke and Dobson spreading quality balls out wide.
whereas Hull could have Offiah and Vainikolo in their prime on each wings and still struggle to give them the ball.
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| Quote ="UllFC"i think him being the 10th worst import ever is very harsh, he was man on the match in every round of the CC for us for starters, and he may have made the difference in the final
and if they've missed Maivia off they've done very poor research, he was one of the poorest players i've ever seen in the black and white.'"
He was also VERY injury prone which we knew when when we signed him on big money and a quota place. He was a joke signing in the extreme !!!
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Byrne... Unbelievable that we spent Briscoe's money on a guy with no size, no pace and no particular skills. Just ordinary/dependable in every department
Cusack...waste of a quota place, opposite of what we needed in a prop
Godwin...pathetic signing of a half decent player that we clearly didn't need
Tickle.... okay signing but wouldn't get into any of the top club's squads
Dykes... pathetic signing says everything about Peter Blunt
Sing....just pathetic, an old man with no pace, quota spot and big money.
Maiava... no need for words
Thanks Peter !! You did us proud !! In Hull and Manly you really fooked up two of the world's biggest clubs !!'"
exactly my point in the earlier post: Byrne, Cusack, Godwin and Tickle aren't bad players, and would do a job for someone in SL...but in a squad that already had 'workhorses' like Radford and Dowes, we needed someone different.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"He was also VERY injury prone which we knew when when we signed him on big money and a quota place. He was a joke signing in the extreme !!!'"
oh I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have done a proper medical and decided against it...
just saying its a bit harsh for RL world to be putting Dykes in a top10 worst signing category, because when he did actually play you could see he was a good player. There have been far more money grabbing overrated players to grace superleague.
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| Quote ="UllFC"oh I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have done a proper medical and decided against it...
just saying its a bit harsh for RL world to be putting Dykes in a top10 worst signing category, because when he did actually play you could see he was a good player. There have been far more money grabbing overrated players to grace superleague.'"
Dykes was up front with th club before he came, I doubt there was anyone more surprised than him when his contract offer came through.
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| Quote ="UllFC"oh I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have done a proper medical and decided against it...
just saying its a bit harsh for RL world to be putting Dykes in a top10 worst signing category, because when he did actually play you could see he was a good player. There have been far more money grabbing overrated players to grace superleague.'"
Yeh you're right but we were linked with a whole host of decent scum halves and Peter Blunt goes and signs someone who we all suspected, before he even got here, wouldn't play that much.
Just another example of our joke recruitment strategy of late.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's not an outstanding squad if you go through it player by player. The strength of it is in the way the players fit together as a whole, and the way Morgan has them playing as a unit.
You don't need a superstar squad if you get the key positions right and you coach them well. Morgan is easily the most important factor in your success IMO.'"
I agree, but to say it's "ordinary" is harsh. From weakest link to strongest link our squad is up there with the best. Then add the team spirit the players seem to have and Justin Morgan's coaching, you can see why we could be top (or 1 point off) at the half way mark.
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| To put this post into perspective regardless of the majority of comments relating to the strengths and weaknesses of both clubs and what the long term and short term future holds:
People will always judge success on whats happening right now and will base future predictions on it, forget what may happen or what has happened in the past... its all about now
More importantly, you won't see a thread like this on the Rovers board, why? The club and fans are all commited to the cause of concentrating on the success of their own club in every department, not the rise or fall of any other club, local or not!
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| Quote ="RatedRSuperstar"
More importantly, you won't see a thread like this on the Rovers board, why? The club and fans are all commited to the cause of concentrating on the success of their own club in every department, not the rise or fall of any other club, local or not!'"
You have got to be kidding. The Rovers board is littered with Hull FC threads.
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| Quote ="j_hunter_hkr"I agree, but to say it's "ordinary" is harsh. From weakest link to strongest link our squad is up there with the best. Then add the team spirit the players seem to have and Justin Morgan's coaching, you can see why we could be top (or 1 point off) at the half way mark.'"
It's not an outstanding squad but it has many strengths that ours doesn't. As far as the word "ordinary" goes, there is only one squad in the city that could be labelled with such a word and it's not yours.
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| Quote ="RatedRSuperstar"To put this post into perspective regardless of the majority of comments relating to the strengths and weaknesses of both clubs and what the long term and short term future holds:
People will always judge success on whats happening right now and will base future predictions on it, forget what may happen or what has happened in the past... its all about now
More importantly, you won't see a thread like this on the Rovers board, why? The club and fans are all commited to the cause of concentrating on the success of their own club in every department, not the rise or fall of any other club, local or not!'"
They will but we're looking at now and how the future will be if we continue as we are. The sad fact is that currently there isn't one player in our squad who would get into Rovers 17 assuming all of their squad was fit. And you know what they say if you keep doing what you've always done , you get what you've always had.
We need to change our recruitment policy pretty quickly and start being honest about what we've got which is a pretty ordinary squad , little prospect of home grown talent improving things and a poor coaching team that has already failed here and elsewhere. Once we do that then and only then can we hope to put in place a policy which has a chance of improving things.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"They will but we're looking at now and how the future will be if we continue as we are. The sad fact is that currently there isn't one player in our squad who would get into Rovers 17 assuming all of their squad was fit. And you know what they say if you keep doing what you've always done , you get what you've always had.
We need to change our recruitment policy pretty quickly and start being honest about what we've got which is a pretty ordinary squad , little prospect of home grown talent improving things and a poor coaching team that has already failed here and elsewhere. Once we do that then and only then can we hope to put in place a policy which has a chance of improving things.'"
Ordinary coaching set-up + ordinary squad of players = ordinary rugby + ordinary league position.
Isn't mathematics brilliant !!!!!
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| Quote ="j_hunter_hkr"I agree, but to say it's "ordinary" is harsh. From weakest link to strongest link our squad is up there with the best. Then add the team spirit the players seem to have and Justin Morgan's coaching, you can see why we could be top (or 1 point off) at the half way mark.'"
I think you're focussing too much on one word TBH. And I would disagree that your [isquad[/i is as good on paper as the likes of Saints, Leeds, or even Wire. Morgan has made the whole operate better than the sum of the parts, which is the sign of a good coach and also a sign of the correct attitude among the players.
We did much the same in 2006 in fact.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I think you're focussing too much on one word TBH. And I would disagree that your [isquad[/i is as good on paper as the likes of Saints, Leeds, or even Wire. Morgan has made the whole operate better than the sum of the parts, which is the sign of a good coach and also a sign of the correct attitude among the players.
We did much the same in 2006 in fact.'"
I agree, Rovers squad is more workmanlike than flair, what we do we do well, and so far it's working. We don't thrash many sides, but if an eight point win at the likes of Wigan keeps us at the right end of the table, then I can live with that.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"I agree, Rovers squad is more workmanlike than flair, what we do we do well, and so far it's working. We don't thrash many sides, but if an eight point win at the likes of Wigan keeps us at the right end of the table, then I can live with that.'"
Quite.
People seem to forget that when we went on our 13 match unbeaten run and ended up in the GF, we did it in similar fashion. There were a lot of narrow wins with the players playing for each other and never accepting the possibility of defeat.
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| Briscoe, Fox, Cooke, Dobson, Vella, Fozzard, Galea, Newton, Murrell is our spine. We have players who work there balls off around these players which is the key to our success this season thus far.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Briscoe, Fox, Cooke, Dobson, Vella, Fozzard, Galea, Newton, Murrell is our spine. We have players who work there balls off around these players which is the key to our success this season thus far.'"
Add Fisher to that! We're a different team with him on the pitch, especially this year!
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I guess you didn't bother to actually read the thread in question then
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