some of us can see the bigger picture

that 'scrappy' rugby isnt going to get us into the playoffs, or are you just happy for our season to end in July again?

We did far more tackling second half and had far less field position which is why we weren't spinning it as much. Bringing it out of your own 20 is no place to be doing it despite what many detractors might erroneously claim. When we got near their line Yeaman scored/disallowed. We weren't that close apart from that.

Having said that what the fook Agar is doing coaching our forwards to lose a scrum against the head in the last minute I just don't know. He wants sacking just for that.

Well said

Surely that has to be a joke ?

Agar would not have said; there's two minutes to go lets just not put any effort in the scrum

That was the players fault and nothing to do with Agar

So threatening and attacking out wide is scrappy play now? We're not the best team in the league but we're not the worst. I don't think you can see any bigger picture at all.

I never said I'm happy with crap performances I said its a win it will come back just people like you can't get behind them and have to critise the first chance you get you sound like stevo

It was a joke but I'm expecting a new thread to appear about it any time now from one of the usual suspects who I strongly believe are annoyed when we win.

I agree with much of what Kosh said about the game. I still can't help thinking that the quality of the opposition made the slight improvements possible. I don't think Cas will give us as much latitude.

All that said, it shows how far we have tumbled when a very scrappy win at Salford is seen as a good result.

fair enough then

I of course already knew it was a joke and was just joining in

the other poster described the game as 'scrappy' not me, I'd describe it as very poor and error strewn from both sides.

and the bigger picture is this club is in rapid decline, the fact that some people are somehow delighted that we were marginally less hopeless than Salford baffles me

I've paused at half time to watch CSI: New York. And brace myself fr the second half.

One thing I've not seen mentioned yet - our completion rate in the first half was 82%. That's a huge improvement over the last several games.

Spot on. Quite a few on here are clearly annoyed that FC have got an ugly win and still see fit to post negative post after negative post as it suits their agenda. We were only missing Crocker, Lauaki, Berrigan, Raynor, Tony, Byrne and King after all. Impressed with the effort and defensive work tonight. Fortunately we were near enough to see the sweat and effort at close quarters for ourselves, as opposed to those sat in smug cynicism, criticising every move we made in Jim Royle mode.

The fact that you are so disappointed we won baffles me.

I think it's a little unfair to say that anyone is annoyed when we win. Everyone on here is passionate about Hull FC, and most of us can see that we have some fairly substantial problems on the playing/coaching side of things. Some do get a little carried away with how they express their disappointment, but that's because they love the club and hate to see it doing so badly, so needlessly.

So what happens is that you get one group of people who express themselves in what might be termed a slightly excitable manner, and another set who assert that the first group are not real fans and are revelling in the club's misfortunes. They in turn say that the other group are sheep, and the whole sorry process continues.

Neither side is more to blame than the other, IMO.

3rd worst

if we didn't care we wouldn't be on this message board talking about the club

Of course I am happy we have got 2 points, but at the same time i feel if we keep playing like that we are going to miss the playoffs yet again.

Everything is relative.

Yours,

A Einstein.

A good and fair post from a member of group 2. The thing that hacks me off is the fact that group 1 claim they are the elite of our fanbase and are proving their superiority by witholding their support. Utter rubbish.

You see the thing is I'm not delighted. I know there are problems at the club mainly down to poor recruitment over a number of years. I know Agar has made selection and interchange errors this season and have said so. But I also know that with a gradual improvement of the playing staff which Agar has started (albeit they're not here) together with the 9 years we have guaranteed in the top flight the performances on the field will imporve.

Too many people on here believe that you have to have one extreme view or the other and no inbetween. It's pathetic in my view to continually slag everything that happens at the club even when it's not always bad. Thread after thread of garbage rumour and slagging. The other thing which many either cannot see or refuse to see is that the league is closer than it's ever been with teams beating other teams they didn't used to. This weekend is a pretty good example. So no team has a divine right to win but some people act on here like we have.

We have not played consistently well for sure since the GF defeat under Peter Sharp. Recruitment and retention has been dire, and we have had a very very poor run on injuries. But some of the fans on here are not the same type that we used to have in the 36 years I've been watching. Too much arm waving, insulting and slagging off these days. Sure our fans have always been quick to offer an opinion but I'm feeling now that some are a bit disappointed that we won tonight and a true Hull fan would never ever harbour a thought like that.

7th best.

I appreciate that. Relative to getting beat by Salford at home, it is a good result. Relative to competing on level terms with the likes of Saints and Leeds and making a grand final, it is not.

TBF I think the only person to have used the word 'delighted' is you.

Personally, I'm always happy when we win. Just as I'm always pi$$ed off when we lose. That doesn't mean that I'm blind to the quality of the performance. It just means that I'm a fan.

Read my post above. Some people, like me, can see good and bad at the club. Not just one side or the other. It's called being balanced.

6 internationals to come in yet.