Have to say this exact thought crossed my mind the other day. I'm not quite there yet, but I find myself going through the motions. I rarely look forward to matchdays any more, the uninspiring performances of the last 2½ years make attending more of a chore than a pleasure, and the lows are heavily outweighing the highs for no good reason in my eyes. I've been asked a few times over the past year why I continue to go when it I come back so miserable and the only answer I can come back with is 'They're my team, you just do don't you?'.

On the selection points on here, Moa is clearly one of Agar's favourites. He's done almost nothing to warrant his place but appears to be a regular fixture now. A poor message to send out IMO.

Disagree there Kosh, we should be aiming for more than being a 'Kear team' and targetting the CC.

Our next two games are more important and ones were we need players fully fit , so resting today would have been a better option for me

But the key point to me is that we were pretty the closest team to Leeds and Saints in terms of parity. Won a trophy, split the top 2, and a GF appearance. So the big question that sticks out is why did we fall back into the chasing pack when we should have moved on to establish ourselves as part of the upper echelon?

money shot

I can well see your point, but it's the only trophy we stand a chance of winning. Is seventh and a CC win better than fifth and no CC win?

Depends were you go on from that 5th spot

We're not going to win SL from fifth, are we? I'd like to think we could build year on year, but as carl spackler mentioned, we got to within one game of winning the comp and then drifted back to obscurity.

Those performances look like superb displays compared to the Walsh era.

Fair point, well made.

Long term I agree with your point, but I guess I just don't believe that we have a team capable of winning SL this season. That being the case, I'd rather we took our best shot at the CC.

I was thinking more of the other players mentioned TBH, like resting Dowes, Cusack and Berrigan.

The Moa situation annoys me a great deal. If Agar thinks he's fit enough to play then he has to do more than one 10 minute spell in the 2nd half. If not, don't play him.

That's more poor team/bench selection than resting key players TBH.

Tell me about it. Like I said on another thread, how radical would it be to play four props and rotate them in 20 minute spells? And perhaps we coud even stretch to a recognised loose forward.

That's my main concern, if we are playing Washy at L/F then why not move Radders up to starting prop with Dowes or Cusack and have either of those two on the bench with any of Maloney (great opportunity to see him) King, or even have Thackray as the 2nd row rotation.
That way we are giving vital game time to key players in a game that we should manage to control and win handsomely.

Lee - go (should have gone before now)
Tony - go
Thorman - stay as cover for half backs/utility value
Byrne - go
Cusack - go
G Horne - stay as cheap utility cover
Whiting - stay
Burnett - stay
Maloney - ??
Moa - stay
Thackray - stay


I would also try to convince King and Radford to leave.

If you get rid of Cusack and King, you'll need two decent props to replace them. Where will they come from?

Couldn't agree more.

I'm desperately trying to give Agar a fair crack of the whip, but I'm afraid I just don't understand his selection and rotation policies.

One big top drawer rough- prop would be fine to go with Dowes, Hame, Moa, Thackray and Maloney. Maybe a Ryles type prop, I would be very happy with our front row and we would probably have a little left over.

The rest would go towards strengthening other areas.

Let's face it, for next season we will need a fullback, centre AND scrum half.

as stated before he does have similarities with Sharp in this department.

Agree 100%. I would love RA to be a real success but some of his team selection and especially the bench/rotation absolutely baffles me.

I'm no RL expert, but two hookers and a 10min prop as 3/4 of your bench is madness !!!

Where as we could have King,Thacks,Whiting,Manu..........id have Washy or whiting 13...other on bench.

We've yet to see whether Moa and Maloney will make it in Super League. The signs look promising for Moa, but it's far from certain that he'll make the grade. Maloney hasn't even played a single minute in the first team yet.

Lauaki will be a good addition if he ever gets here, but it's not to say he'll be used as a prop anyway.

Even if he is, that only leaves him, Dowes and Thacks who are proven at the highest level.



None of which will be remotely relevant if our forwards are getting bumraped by the opposition.

I think the similarities between Agar and Sharp are more deep rooted than most realise




Give it 10 years, or till the end of the season!

Why does Tommy Lee continue to be on our bench ???? I cannot understand it.

If he is deemed to be not good enough for the starting 13, what on earth does he offer from the bench ?? A 20min tackling spell ???

In place of Whiting,washbrook who can change games...and Thackry.

Our front row with a new top drawer prop + Hame, Moa, Dowes, Thackray and Maloney would be the least of our problems. We STILL need a scrum half and centre, and that is without even starting on Peter Blunt's brainstorm at fullback