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| Quote ="Rock God X"I think it's more relevant to consider mid-season transfers. What about when Fielden went to Wigan? Did they give him a few weeks to learn the structures, or throw him straight into the first team?'"
Exactly, it's not as if an impact prop is pivotal to attacking structures within the team, if he can bust tackles and make the odd offload (as long as Horne, Thorman or Hall are following him) that's all he needs to do for now.
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"Exactly, it's not as if an impact prop is pivotal to attacking structures within the team, if he can bust tackles and make the odd offload (as long as Horne, Thorman or Hall are following him) that's all he needs to do for now.'"
Maybe his favourite film is Waterboy
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"So what is Feka's role at Wigan?
You want an impact prop to do what exactly?'"
Oh dear.
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"Exactly, it's not as if an impact prop is pivotal to attacking structures within the team, if he can bust tackles and make the odd offload (as long as Horne, Thorman or Hall are following him) that's all he needs to do for now.'"
Oh dear
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Pretty sure he was good enough to go straight in, not sure its comparable to Moa being a relative novice.'"
A novice relative to Fielden, maybe, but he's played a few NRL games as far as I'm aware.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"A novice relative to Fielden, maybe, but he's played a few NRL games as far as I'm aware.'"
One NRL game. I think he was on for less than 20 minutes as well.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"A novice relative to Fielden, maybe, but he's played a few NRL games as far as I'm aware.'"
I think you'll find he's played 1 NRL game.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"A novice relative to Fielden, maybe, but he's played a few NRL games as far as I'm aware.'"
He's played 9 mins of NRL.
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| In that case, I stand corrected. Thought I'd read somewhere that it was 25ish.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"He's played 9 mins of NRL.'"
Gets less and less everytime someone quotes that.
He has also played 3 games in a world cup which is a level higher than others have played.
I would be confident of his adrenaline getting him through his debut for 20-30 mins to make up for him possibly not knowing our defensive set up etc.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Oh dear.
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You've seen how at the start of the season HF and others were bagging the club for having a lightweight pack and then as soon as we get someone with size all they want us to do with them is stick them in the reserves.
Moa played in the world cup and showed he is a 'go forward' prop, stick him on the bench let Dowes and Cusack tire the Hudds pack out and then let Moa have a go at what appears to be a very light Hudds pack.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"
He has also played 3 games in a world cup which is a level higher than others have played.
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Having seen most of the last World Cup, I'd have to question that.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Having seen most of the last World Cup, I'd have to question that.'"
fair point
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"You've seen how at the start of the season HF and others were bagging the club for having a lightweight pack and then as soon as we get someone with size all they want us to do with them is stick them in the reserves.
Moa played in the world cup and showed he is a 'go forward' prop, stick him on the bench let Dowes and Cusack tire the Hudds pack out and then let Moa have a go at what appears to be a very light Hudds pack.'"
To be fair, if he's only played in one top flight game, I can see the point. I thought he was a little more experienced than that.
Given the fact that he's played at a roughly similar level to Maloney and that Maloney has been with the squad a little longer, I can see argument of the poster who said Maloney should get the nod.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"
He has also played 3 games in a world cup which is a level higher than others have played. '"
So did Mick Cassidy
(Oh and BTW it was 2 games )
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| Quote ="Rock God X"To be fair, if he's only played in one top flight game, I can see the point. I thought he was a little more experienced than that.
Given the fact that he's played at a roughly similar level to Maloney and that Maloney has been with the squad a little longer, I can see argument of the poster who said Maloney should get the nod.'"
And the end of the day i guess the main point is that if he looks good enough and fit enough in training Agar may decide to give him a go. I dont mind what he has played and where he has played, if he can add to our 17 he gets in for me. If he's not ready yet he doesnt.
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"You've seen how at the start of the season HF and others were bagging the club for having a lightweight pack and then as soon as we get someone with size all they want us to do with them is stick them in the reserves.
Moa played in the world cup and showed he is a 'go forward' prop, stick him on the bench let Dowes and Cusack tire the Hudds pack out and then let Moa have a go at what appears to be a very light Hudds pack.'"
Nobody wants to stick him in the reserves. However some of us don't want to throw him straight into an important SL game, less than a week after he has arrived and after 4 months without any rugby, just because we want to see him play. His time will come, hopefully.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"However some of us don't want to throw him straight into an important SL game, less than a week after he has arrived and after 4 months without any rugby, just because we want to see him play. '"
You mean like Big Dave T?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"You mean like Big Dave T?
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I dont just want to see him play because he is here.
If Agar thinks he is fit enough to be named in the squad then i think he believes he is mentally in the right place to play.
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| Quote ="The Kings of Hull"You've seen how at the start of the season HF and others were bagging the club for having a lightweight pack and then as soon as we get someone with size all they want us to do with them is stick them in the reserves.'"
Quite rightly so. He has to prove himself first and prove his match fitness and remember he is a 'project'. If he plays on Friday and plays like a donkey the resident airheads on here will be crying Hutch mark 2.
Quote Moa played in the world cup and showed he is a 'go forward' prop, stick him on the bench let Dowes and Cusack tire the Hudds pack out and then let Moa have a go at what appears to be a very light Hudds pack.'"
Hull are way too structured to just bring in an inexperienced lump purely for possible impact and 'go forward'. There will be better opportunities for him play than Shudders away.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Hull are way too structured to just bring in a lump purely for possible impact and 'go forward'. '"
thought King was injured?
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| As much as I would like to see Moa play I would not be too hasty in rushing him through. Regardless of who has been here longer the player should be selected on who will offer the most to the side.
Maloney will know all our drill better and wil know something about the opposition too. Moa has had to get over jetlag and has only just started proper training so could be a litte underdone.
Without watching them train its hard to call but I feel Maloney would get the nod.
That said I think he will go with only prop off the bench anyway and play Lee again.
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I dont just want to see him play because he is here.
If Agar thinks he is fit enough to be named in the squad then i think he believes he is mentally in the right place to play.'"
Perhaps.
The other argument is, if you're going to put an inexperienced prop into the team, do you pick the one who has just flown halfway around the world and has had less than a week with his team mates?
If our other new signing had been here for a similar amount of time, I'd have no qualms about him playing.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Gets less and less everytime someone quotes that.
He has also played 3 games in a world cup which is a level higher than others have played.
I would be confident of his adrenaline getting him through his debut for 20-30 mins to make up for him possibly not knowing our defensive set up etc.'"
IIRC, so did Ryan Tandy and Bob Beswick. I'd still want neither in a Hull shirt. I think people are getting carried away with his World Cup selection TBH. He may very well turn out to be a very good signing, but 3 WC appearances is not a guarantee of that by any stretch of the imagination.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He is only in his first season at the top level though. I don't think it would be partcularly unfair to leave him out until he's had a little more full time training. If Moa is better prepared to take the field, he should get the nod regardless of how long he's been here.'"
As said Moa wont know our attack and defence structures at all. Whereas Maloney will. Also its not like Moa is a veteran with plenty of minutes of NRL experience.
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