The kid has apologised on twitter which is very commendable but it was not all down to him - as long as he learns - you have to put your body on the line even if you end up crocked.

Arundel apologised on twitter for his poor display. I thought he and Crookes defended well first half.

Been out a long time, give him a chance.

I will never be convinced that Arundel or Crookes should've been signed. Crooks and Lineham both have more ability in my eyes, although I thought Crookes played well tonight. Arundel was o.k for 20 minutes, and poor for 60 in my opinion. I'm sure he'll have some good games though, and I'm in no way blaming him for our loss. Hopefully the reason for signing so many squad players, is that you can drop them after a shocker and replace them.

Sounds about right to me!

Sounds about right to me!

Presumably you gave Lineham and Crooks a chance in a Hull shirt before forming an opinion?

I'd be more worried about that "scrum half" of yours then Arundel. 1st game in nearly a year against the champs. Absorbed a lot of pressure throughout the game.

I thought joe went pretty well for his first full game in a year and he was clearly out on his feet by the time hall brushed him aside,been one of the most honest young man he his he will be disappointed because I know that he's the ultimate pro that lives and breathes the game.

He will come good but needs help from his inside "seymore" who was shocking IMO.

I doubt Crooks or Lineham would of done any better opposite Hall & Moon + who would we play if those 2 got injured?

If that was Arundel's first competitive outing in a year... then not bad.

Think you will find must centre/wing partnerships will struggle against Leeds pairing.

You dont judge a player after 1 game - George Carmont was poor for months before finding his feet a Wigan!

Keep the faith

At times i do wonder what people want. Our right hand side D was great for 60mins against the champions. Its obvious when you've been defending your line for best part of 50mins your going to tire and drop of tackles.

1st game in a year and some people on here appear to want to bin him off already. Get a grip. It's a good job this forum wasn't around when Yeamo played his first game for us, as I recall Paul Newlove totally took the mick out of him. Give the lad time to settle into the team!

Arundel got taught a lesson by arguably one of the best centres in the league, the guy will learn a lot about himself and should come back better for the experience if he doesn't maybe he isn't up to the job but give him a chance al centres can get hung out to dry by a very good opposition centre, also he seemed to turn in to help out Seymour defensively and left himself exposed as a result

Absolutely ridiculous thing to say!

I don't give a toss what colour shirt they've got on - I've seen all four players many, many times. I'd also formed an opinion on Ellis and Holdsworth because I've seen them many, many times. Are you suggesting Crookes and Arundel was deliberately under performing at their previous clubs in some kind of covert mission to get released to Hull, and now they're here we'll see totally different players????

Of course I'm not saying that.

Have you really seen all four "many, many times"? Lineham has only played five first grade games and Ben Crooks sixteen. Jason Crookes has played little more than a couple of dozen SL games. How many of them have you seen?

Crookes and Lineham I have seen loads of times in the u20's and friendlies. Between them I have seen Crookes and Arundel play about 14 games of Super League, and 3 times in friendlies. I have also seen Crookes play for Widnes and Sheffield. I watch every single available RL game on tv, without exception. All four players I have seen more than enough times to form an opinion. I'm not saying Arundel and Crookes are awful, just that I don't rate them as highly as Crooks and Lineham.

And that's absolutely the same as seeing them play against SL opposition, particularly the SL and WCC champs.

Really it is.

As wonderfully thought out as that post was Kosh, Ben Crooks has already played against the "SL and WCC champs" in the Super League. He has also played v Warrington twice and helped us to our massive win v Bradford.

Indeed he has. But that's not what we're talking about and not what I commented on. You said you'd seen all four players "many, many times" and that clearly isn't the case in any meaningful sense.

From what i have seen of Arundel on telly and last night,the only concern i have is that we have 2 similar centres.Young Crooks adds a bit more flair to the back line and is still learning his trade but will be a very good centre for us.I would have given Crooks the 3 shirt and have him starting this season but will see how Arundel settles in and gets his match fitness back before judging him.

Spot on regards Arundel. I also think Crooks will be very good but maybe a season too early to get the 3 shirt?

Good point mark.

To be honest, as a Cas fan I couldn't really see why Hull signed Arundel. Personally I always felt he was a decent player but lacked the aggression both in attack and defence to be a top centre. I was disappointed to lose Westerman (though the fee was fair) and gutted when Shenton left for nothing, but not too disappointed to lose Arundel.

It's a team game our sliding defense after 50 minutes let us down not one man

Arundel will need to seriously up his performance level from that shown at Leeds if he is to establish himself as a SL player at the top level. He'll get more chance to do that and rightly so. There were very few Hull players that reached the required level on Friday so he's far from alone in needing to improve.