[quote="UllFC":2ff0ys47]Cartwright suggesting in Hull Live that he only was involved in signing Cust, Rapana and Sezer which isn't a surprise. If some of the others don't perform he may be saying to Andrew 'speak to your son in law' then...[/quote:2ff0ys47] To be fair you could easily flip it the other way. All our overseas signings have a previous connection to Cartwright it was obvious he’s picked the quota players. All due respect to Sezer and Cust, I don’t think they’d have been the club or Mylers ideal choice of a halfback pairing, and you could argue that a specialist centre would have been preferable to Rapana but the strategy has been players Cartwright knows well and trusts and the club have gone with that. If the quota players don’t perform for whatever reason it will be on him.

[quote="Faithful One":yhr3qatb]https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc-react-nick-staveley-9935799 A little bit more about Staveley from Cartwright. Hardly an exclusive insight, just more of a statement of the matter being closed seemingly. Not sure we'll find out much more from the clubs side.[/quote:yhr3qatb] Reading that it sounds as though he’d already made his mind up he wouldn’t be signing a new deal and get the impression Cartwright has some reservations about Staveleys application/attitude with his efforts on his recovery. It’s pleasing to see that despite us being a little short in that area the principles of what is expected, what the Coach demands from every player in attitude & effort be it in a game, training or injury recovery are none negotiable. It’s been a long time coming that we have a Coach instills discipline across all aspects of being a Pro RL players amd having the financial clout to back his decisions.

[quote="Chris71":2btv8bme]Reading that it sounds as though he’d already made his mind up he wouldn’t be signing a new deal and get the impression Cartwright has some reservations about Staveleys application/attitude with his efforts on his recovery.[/quote:2btv8bme] He says that there are a few guys in front of him obviously Cartwright, Lane and Holmes will be but I wonder if Jebson and especially Kirby will have moved up the pecking order. Get the feeling Kirby is higher rated than Jebson given Kirby played at the weekend and Jebson didn't.

[quote="Yippee try yay":sxalq0um]He says that there are a few guys in front of him obviously Cartwright, Lane and Holmes will be but I wonder if Jebson and especially Kirby will have moved up the pecking order. Get the feeling Kirby is higher rated than Jebson given Kirby played at the weekend and Jebson didn't.[/quote:sxalq0um] I got told they are backing Kirby

[quote="UllFC":34d6hx3a]Just read an article saying some club owners are plotting to overthrow the head of the RFL and install Nigel Wood in temporary charge, is it April 1st??!! This game loves machine gunning it's foot[/quote:34d6hx3a] Wouldn't be a super league season launch without a scandal/idiotic idea getting the press' attention rather than the focus being on the build up to the opening round of games

Probably Degsy been a bit mischievous , Adding to his call to ditch Sky rant last week .

[quote="Chris71":39x0sxc7]Reading that it sounds as though he’d already made his mind up he wouldn’t be signing a new deal and get the impression Cartwright has some reservations about Staveleys application/attitude with his efforts on his recovery. It’s pleasing to see that despite us being a little short in that area the principles of what is expected, what the Coach demands from every player in attitude & effort be it in a game, training or injury recovery are none negotiable. [quote:39x0sxc7]It’s been a long time coming that we have a Coach instills discipline across all aspects of being a Pro RL players amd having the financial clout to back his decisions[/quote:39x0sxc7].[/quote:39x0sxc7] It goes without saying that, by and large, we, as fans, don't get to see what goes on exactly behind the scenes on a daily basis, save the usual 'I've heard this, that, the other' rumours that always seem to surround our club!! Staveley seemed to be a decent prospect before his ACL last season, but none of us on here are fully aware of the background story leading to his release. I'm disappointed to see a potentially promising youngster depart, and hope it doesn't backfire on us further down the track, but that is the nature of elite sport, it's a cut throat business at the sharp end. We are, hopefully, at the start of a new beginning for the club and Cartwright/Myler have been entrusted with turning the (listing) ship away from the looming iceberg. The clubs that get these kind of decisions right (Walker, Abdull, Staveley) are the ones who ultimately succeed. The ability to know who to release, and more importantly when exactly, is one of the key tenets for any successful outfit. Wigan & Saints have been masters of this aspect down the years (accompanied by equally intelligent recruitment for replacements) hence their position as the dominant forces within the sport. As you say Chris, it has been a long time since we had a coach prepared to make these unsentimental clinical decisions. It's on his head, acts like this, but that is why he has been appointed as our head coach. I'm sure this has been made with all the facts to hand and Cartwright has reached this conclusion to the best of his experienced ability. As supporters we must back them to take these decisions and hope/trust that they will show to be the correct decisions in the years to come. Last year we were little more than a (very) badly run amateur outfit, if decisions of this nature are the price we have to pay in order to once again be a serious professional organization, then so be it.

With Abdul and now Staveley gone , This should give us a bit more room to sign a potentially better caliber of player should one becomes available . If we cant get Holmes on the pitch regularly ( And I hope we can ) , Do the club cut their losses again ? .

It's ok having cap space but no use if there are no players who are right for us to sign. No one else seems to be releasing players like we are. Could be a long season i fear

[quote="BP1":mujyqeuo] As you say Chris, it has been a long time since we had a coach prepared to make these unsentimental clinical decisions.[/quote:mujyqeuo] It feels like other recent Hull FC coaches have been willing to make unsentimental decisions to release players. These may not all be perfect examples and I may be misremembering the circumstances for some of them, but Marc Sneyd, Jake Connor, Josh Reynolds, Luke Gale and Kane Evans come to mind.

[quote="UllFC":2kt4c3td]Cartwright suggesting in Hull Live that he only was involved in signing Cust, Rapana and Sezer which isn't a surprise. If some of the others don't perform he may be saying to Andrew 'speak to your son in law' then...[/quote:2kt4c3td] Most of them were panick signings by Richie Rich Abdull injury risk paid off Holmes Injury risk probably get paid off not value for money if he only plays a few games Chamberlain not S/L standard and injury prone But you are doing a good job Myler

[quote="Mild Rover":27517zjs][quote="BP1":27517zjs] As you say Chris, it has been a long time since we had a coach prepared to make these unsentimental clinical decisions.[/quote:27517zjs] It feels like other recent Hull FC coaches have been willing to make unsentimental decisions to release players. These may not all be perfect examples and I may be misremembering the circumstances for some of them, but Marc Sneyd, Jake Connor, Josh Reynolds, Luke Gale and Kane Evans come to mind.[/quote:27517zjs] All those you mention I would say are not examples at all or anywhere near similar in anyway to the recent releases..

[quote="bonaire":3nfwtpcs]Most of them were panick signings by Richie Rich Abdull injury risk paid off Holmes Injury risk probably get paid off not value for money if he only plays a few games Chamberlain not S/L standard and injury prone But you are doing a good job Myler[/quote:3nfwtpcs] Are you actually an FC fan, swear I’ve never once seen you post anything positive? Holmes has a niggle so you’re suggesting he’ll get paid off. He was signed for experience and to bring young players on. Hes not a bad back up. Chamberlain was hardly ever injured at Leigh and then has had 2 back to back injuries at Hull. The ankle might not even be too bad for all we know. Not a first choice SL player but can cover a lot of positions as a back up. Also managed to start at centre in a CC winning side. Abdull was a risk that went wrong but Myler managed to have clauses which mitigated the costs of paying him off. Add that we see the club doing more community work and seems a lot more in tune to the fans. Some positives there. I don’t think we can comment whether he’s doing good job or not for another 12-18 months

[quote="bonaire":1gdarzsi]Most of them were panick signings by Richie Rich Abdull injury risk paid off Holmes Injury risk probably get paid off not value for money if he only plays a few games Chamberlain not S/L standard and injury prone But you are doing a good job Myler[/quote:1gdarzsi] You always repeat the same things but never seem to offer suggestions as to who we should have signed instead? Maybe we shouldn't have signed the above players then all we'd here is Myler can't sign anyone blah blah, genuinely who would you have signed if you were in mylers shoes? He came in late to a club that was at rock bottom, absolutely skint and where most players had already sorted their next move before he got his feet under the desk. I get that some of the players signed aren't world beaters but they're here short term to get the club moving in the right direction.

[quote="Yippee try yay":yzu7dckj]You always repeat the same things but never seem to offer suggestions as to who we should have signed instead? Maybe we shouldn't have signed the above players then all we'd here is Myler can't sign anyone blah blah, genuinely who would you have signed if you were in mylers shoes? He came in late to a club that was at rock bottom, absolutely skint and where most players had already sorted their next move before he got his feet under the desk. I get that some of the players signed aren't world beaters but they're here short term to get the club moving in the right direction.[/quote:yzu7dckj] Should've left the recruitment until late summer like when we signed the 3 overseas lads. Would've been loads of options I'm sure

[quote="bonaire":1mrjzvpt]Most of them were panick signings by Richie Rich Abdull injury risk paid off Holmes Injury risk probably get paid off not value for money if he only plays a few games Chamberlain not S/L standard and injury prone But you are doing a good job Myler[/quote:1mrjzvpt] Seems for you Myler can’t do anything right. He’s starting from scratch, going through all aspects of the club, dealing in a market where there are few players available, harnessing the young talent, assessing the character of the players, the injury prone players. Given what he came into you might consider cutting him some slack I’m sure we’ll have adversity in the season and you’ll say ‘I told you so’ but I defy anyone to have done a much better job. I’m sorry we lost Abdul and staveley but that’s pro sport. We have space for replacements should they become available

[quote="Chris71":2gt5d5xh]All those you mention I would say are not examples at all or anywhere near similar in anyway to the recent releases..[/quote:2gt5d5xh] In what way(s) do you see them as dissimilar? Obviously, each set of circumstances is different, but in principle I don’t think other recent Hull FC coaches have been sentimental or reluctant to cut players.

[quote="mwindass":3gulskp1]Should've left the recruitment until late summer like when we signed the 3 overseas lads. Would've been loads of options I'm sure[/quote:3gulskp1] A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.

Just ignore and don’t quote the rovers fan…

Look at other overseas signings aswell. So many clubs have signed quota players who have never played an NRL game. People arr right about Bonaire, has no solutions, just moans, had the chace to ask Myler questions at the forum, but couldn't be bothered to go or send in any questions.

As touched on the Catalans thread, I hardly think Abdul could be called a disaster. I never felt it would work out if I’m honest, but it was a unique situation only we could have take advantage of salary cap wise, at best we could have had an international standard player count very little on the salary cap but it wasn’t to be, I’m not having that we paid him off close to the full three year contract they’d have been some agreement in place regarding fitness. Had we looked at other targets for a third senior domestic half we might have a little bit more cover going into the season granted. As said in the other thread though at absolute best we might have been able to get in early and do a deal for Olly Russell. He might do well at Wakey but has never established himself as first choice yet. Other players who’d fit that bill maybe we could have offered Ben Reynolds a permanent deal or Richardson at Rovers. You can never tell with these things but long term I’d rather we go with Kemp and Charles when needed.

[quote="Hullrealist":yo2cyywc]A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.[/quote:yo2cyywc] I should've added a dollop more sarcasm to my post. We sacked Smith last March/April so any recruitment ideas he had probably got thrown out the window at the time. We then had a 6 ish week block when didn't have a coach lined up. As well as looking for a head coach, Myler recruited domestic players. If he'd just sat on his hands player wise we'd probably be even further behind.

[quote="Mild Rover":1l3k1w8a][quote="Chris71":1l3k1w8a]All those you mention I would say are not examples at all or anywhere near similar in anyway to the recent releases..[/quote:1l3k1w8a] In what way(s) do you see them as dissimilar? Obviously, each set of circumstances is different, but in principle I don’t think other recent Hull FC coaches have been sentimental or reluctant to cut players.[/quote:1l3k1w8a] Don't agree at all. Sneyd had an offer from Salford for a 3 year deal and a chance to return home, as a club at the time weren't in a position to match that offer or come close so it was mutually agreed he'd leave with 1 year left on his contract. Connor was ousted by Smith, if what I was told has some truth to it because he questioned Smith and Gene on their methods. Whether that's 100% I can't say but looking at the way Ellis left and subsequently returned on Smiths own departure I'd say theres a good chance what I was told has merit. My understanding on Gale was he didn't meet the clause in his contract to trigger the 2nd year. Evans was in his last year and was released early due to injuries and compassionate reasons. Reynolds was just a total crock, poor expensive signing, a very poor influence and only had a few month left on his deal which wasn't going to be renewed at the end of the season. So for me the ones mentioned are in no way similar in any aspect.

[quote="Mild Rover":2gcnm5k1]It feels like other recent Hull FC coaches have been willing to make unsentimental decisions to release players. These may not all be perfect examples and I may be misremembering the circumstances for some of them, but Marc Sneyd, Jake Connor, Josh Reynolds, Luke Gale and Kane Evans come to mind.[/quote:2gcnm5k1] Maybe, possibly, although I don't think too many were sorry to see Gale or Evans depart. It just feels a touch different today with some of these decisions being made around players who very quickly (for differing reasons) have been deemed not to be up to scratch and have been summarily released. As I pointed out last night, it is the clubs that make the correct retention/recruitment decisions (most of the time) that ultimately become the successful sides (backed up with a healthy youth policy), specifically Wigan, Saints and, in the past, Leeds. Of course, this could merely be the likes of myself looking for shafts of sunlight through the darkened storm clouds, but the noises coming out of the club since the end of last season would seem to indicate, on the surface at least, that a new professional broom has swept through our club and it does feel different to quite a few of the faithful on here. Ultimately, of course, the proof is in the pudding (which means results on the field) but right now there is an air of renewed optimism around the place, a feeling of sleeves being rolled up and applying to the task in hand. I think that is essentially what the likes of Chris and others are positing with Abdull/Staveley releases being a part of the new attitude. As the next few months unfold we will find out whether we are making the right decisions or not, watch this space as they say!!!

[quote="mwindass":3ahrzjnm][quote="Hullrealist":3ahrzjnm]A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.[/quote:3ahrzjnm] I should've added a dollop more sarcasm to my post. We sacked Smith last March/April so any recruitment ideas he had probably got thrown out the window at the time. We then had a 6 ish week block when didn't have a coach lined up. As well as looking for a head coach, Myler recruited domestic players. If he'd just sat on his hands player wise we'd probably be even further behind.[/quote:3ahrzjnm] Agree with mwindass, when you look at where we were as club and most significantly in terms of financially then add in the limited player pool, genuine availability of players as whole, whilst not forgetting we had no Head Coach signed, it was an almost impossible task. Myler so far, when taking all the things in to account has done what I would say is a decent job of making big changes needed. The recruitment process we were only just starting after every other club and most players had got deals done but we still needed players so on the whole think he's got the best of what was available. Lets just see how the club and teams goes this year as it's impossible to give a fair judgment just yet. I think the next recruitment cycle will be more telling as there will be no excuses for the lack of a plan or targets, also the changes to the recruitment within the game will no doubt shake things up for everyone too. For me at present I do honestly believe Myler has done and is doing ok so far from what I've seen and heard. I'm not saying everything is perfect or every decision he makes will be right (no one does that) but this was never going to an overnight thing to turn this club around.