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| Quote ="Dave K."Ankle according to Smailes, so it might be Arundel and Crooks (If Crooks passes fit), if not I reckon it will be Whiting and Arnudel.'"
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| Quote ="*1865*"Problem with that is I think he misses out when Ellis is back, assuming Thompson reverts back to 2nd row.'"
I don't really think that's what I'd call a problem. Whiting seems to be a consummate professional with a pretty much perfect attitude. If he missed out, I would expect him to react in no other way than to get his head down, improve his form, and get his place back.
That would only benefit us, and is preferable to shuffling the team around to fit him in IMO.
I'd look forward to seeing Arundel up against Hock again, see how he defends against him. He was memorably mauled by him early last year but then much improved in the return game, and he's looked ok this year defensively, too. Give the kid a crack and let him be tested.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Hock playing isn't a good thing. Yeah gives some stuff away but on his day is pretty devastating and takes up defenders and has one of the best offloading games about'" i agree with you airliebird about his defending and offloads,but wind him up enough and he is his own worst enemy.
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| Quote ="edinburgh yorkie"i agree with you airliebird about his defending and offloads,but wind him up enough and he is his own worst enemy.'"
My mate put it well
'he has all the attributes to be the world's best 2nd rower.
From the neck down'!!
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| Didn't whiting have a stint at centre against bradford and was found wanting in defence?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I don't really think that's what I'd call a problem. Whiting seems to be a consummate professional with a pretty much perfect attitude. If he missed out, I would expect him to react in no other way than to get his head down, improve his form, and get his place back.
That would only benefit us, and is preferable to shuffling the team around to fit him in IMO.
I'd look forward to seeing Arundel up against Hock again, see how he defends against him. He was memorably mauled by him early last year but then much improved in the return game, and he's looked ok this year defensively, too. Give the kid a crack and let him be tested.'"
It's not a problem as such, just I think he'll get left out instead of Tuson, which I don't think is right. Radford's reluctance to use Whiting for any serious amount of time (except his full game as a centre) is baffling. Although given Radford's use of the bench that might not be restricted to Whiting.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Didn't whiting have a stint at centre against bradford and was found wanting in defence?'" Yeah, Purcell made him look a bit silly once or twice. He needs to be in the 17 somewhere though, surely?
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| Whiting for me is a must for me in the 17 play him off the bench and he can play almost any position asked of him and will always give it a 100% which is more that can be said for some of the players out on the pitch.
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| Quote ="*1865*"It's not a problem as such, just I think he'll get left out instead of Tuson, which I don't think is right. Radford's reluctance to use Whiting for any serious amount of time (except his full game as a centre) is baffling. Although given Radford's use of the bench that might not be restricted to Whiting.'"
It's a toss up between the 2 of them IMO, although they both played big minutes against Widnes & Tuson was the better of the 2. I wouldn't say it would be any more right to drop Tuson instead of Whiting, it's just a very tight judgement call and could go either way.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"My mate put it well
'he has all the attributes to be the world's best 2nd rower.
From the neck down'!!'" yeah,it`s a pity the brains missing.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Yeah, Purcell made him look a bit silly once or twice. He needs to be in the 17 somewhere though, surely?'"
Not at centre though the same as our best hooker shouldn't be at 7
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| Quote ="oldfaithful93"Whiting for me is a must for me in the 17 play him off the bench and he can play almost any position asked of him and will always give it a 100% which is more that can be said for some of the players out on the pitch.'"
Normally I'd agree with you and I don't think he'll miss out tonight but when we have our strongest team fit then Whiting may find himself looking over his shoulder and even missing out on the 17. Tuson and Ellis will start in the second row, there'll be two starting props and two more on the bench, Houghton will start at hooker with Heremeia taking a third bench spot leaving the fourth spot on the bench for one of Thompson or Whiting. Based on form, Thompson deserves the spot and he also offers utility value like Whiting.
Of course this is Hull FC. Someone will always be injured/banned so this won't be an issue .
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| Tuson had his best game by far last week but needs to continue that level of form. I wouldn't be surprised to see Whiting at centre which as already stated would be a selection that has some question marks over it after the Bradford game. That said I don't think Arundel has good enough defensive attributes to make him an automatic choice there. Interesting to see which way it goes.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Tuson had his best game by far last week but needs to continue that level of form. I wouldn't be surprised to see Whiting at centre which as already stated would be a selection that has some question marks over it after the Bradford game. =#0000BFThat said I don't think Arundel has good enough defensive attributes to make him an automatic choice there. Interesting to see which way it goes.'"
Although interestingly, statistically he is the strongest centre we've had this year defensively. I know that stats don't tell the whole story, but it is interesting to note that whilst we've looked a bit iffy on our edges, he's actually not done badly and at least better than the rest in his position.
The other possibly surprising thing is that Whiting's defensive stats from the Bradford game have him as arguably the weakest. Seeing that makes me question the value in playing him there on one-off occasions to add defensive solidity. Would most likely be a different story with a run of games there, but I wouldn't want to see us go down that road, personally.
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| Having got it so wrong last week and with the return of Paea & Carvell.
Comfortably FC victory.
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Good news that he's not shuffling Heremeia back into the halves. Can't wait to see how these two go together. Although it sounds like Horne will be straight back in once fit.
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| Looking forward to seeing Rankin/Miller at halfback. With Massive Micky and Carvs back, it should be a great test.
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| been hearing arundel in for colbon
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| Quote ="hull2524"been hearing arundel in for colbon'"
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Whiting at centre?'"
Maybe Crooks, there was talk of him maybe being fit.
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| Team for tonight: Shaul, Arundel, Crooks, Yeaman, Talanoa, Rankin, Miller, Paea, Houghton, Bowden, Tuson, Hadley, Westerman
Subs: Watts, Heremaia, Paleaaesina, Thompson
big chance for Miller & Rankin, Carvell missing yet again (why is it that he gets even more injury prone when in Black & White!) and no Whiting for what seems like the first time in years.
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| Thats a really strong team, should do the job.
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| A fair bit of tinkering here for such an important game! He'll be under pressure if this doesnt come off tonight.
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| As a Doncaster fan pleased for Dean Hadley played well for us earlier in the season !
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