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| As much as I'm gutted that we won't have a full strength team out, there is no one to blame and this is where our cover needs to prove themselves. Nicko is well overdue his chance in the halves, Turner has played in centres for us before (albeit a weak spot defensivley), and we have forwards who can fill in for O'Carroll.
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| We can't afford to move Tickle to Prop. Warrington have a good second row, and we'll struggle with both Aspinwall and Whiting up against Westwood, Waterhouse, etc.
If O'Carroll's out, bring in Chris Green.
If Martin's out, bring in Whiting (I don't think that Turner is up to it).
If Seymour's out, bring in Ellis. He should know the calls, playstyle, and want to grab his chance with both hands.
Presumably Nicklas will be in for Heremaia.
If the above are all out, I'd be looking at something like:
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Sharp
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Briscoe
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Ellis
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Houghton
Moa
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Tickle
Westerman
O'Meley
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Aspinwall
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which isn't too bad, really.
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| Quote ="Panda92"We can't afford to move Tickle to Prop. Warrington have a good second row, and we'll struggle with both Aspinwall and Whiting up against Westwood, Waterhouse, etc.'"
Whereas Carvell/Morley/Wood etc. will be a breeze for Green?
I kind of see what you're saying about our back row struggling against theirs without Tickle, and I'm all for seeing Green given a go, but it's hard to say one is more pressing than the other. If we struggle down the middle they'll dominate regardless of who we play wider. It'll be interesting to see which way Gentle goes and who he has confidence in if we are without players.
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| Resignation mode resumed, and philosophical to boot:
Richard, darling, please will you step just one place outside and be centre again?
Whiting must replace Martin, no brainer.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Resignation mode resumed, and philosophical to boot:
Richard, darling, please will you step just one place outside and be centre again?
Whiting must replace Martin, no brainer.'"
not that much of a no brainer! whiting was made to look a fool by atkins last time we played! got ran through,ran round,and ran over!
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| Lets see what Sunday brings.
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| Although not ideal, this is a great test to see if the young players are ready.
By looking at pre-saeson I think Nicklas could be in front of Ellis to replace Seymour.
I share others worry about Turner in defence, could play Whiting there, but then you weaken the backrow.
If all three are out I would go with.
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| No O'Meley?
I'm not to fussed, Turner for Martin, Nicklas for Horne, Ellis for Seymour, Burnett for Lynch, Green for O'Carroll, Cunningham for Heremaia, that's the point of a squad.
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| Disappointing to be missing players in round one but most teams have injuries. It's why we have a squad.
Hope the young lads show up well and the others are back in contention soon.
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| is chris bridge and simon grix fit????? just in my fantasy thats all
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| Quote ="Sheldon"No O'Meley?
I'm not to fussed, Turner for Martin, Nicklas for Horne, Ellis for Seymour, Burnett for Lynch, Green for O'Carroll, Cunningham for Heremaia, that's the point of a squad.'"
Mistake by me that.
O Meley for Ellis, Houghton to do the full 80.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"No O'Meley?
I'm not to fussed, Turner for Martin, Nicklas for Horne, Ellis for Seymour, Burnett for Lynch, Green for O'Carroll, Cunningham for Heremaia, that's the point of a squad.'"
This.
After the whole pre season of player-for-player cover, we are now asking Whiting to come back in the centres! Brilliant.
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| I actually think Turner should be a back rower now, the guy is huge with decent ability. Not saying he'll get a look in at the moment as back row seems to be strong as usual.
But with all the talk of his defensive problems, a move to the middle would suit him. Centre is one of the hardest positions to defend as your out on the edge & have make split second decisions when often out numbered.
Unlike a back rower who will get through alot of tackling but usually has players around him to help out.
Just my thoughts but like I say there are plenty of players fighting for a back row spot so maybe he thought he had more chance of pushing for a chance at 1st team in the centres.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"My biggest concern would be turn(style)er in the centres. He can't defend to save his life and wire will exploit it all afternoon. We always knew the squad was skinny as hell with no real cover and i think injuries will have a big say in how our season pans out.
Good to see we've finally rid ourselves of our scrum half injury hoodoo though'"
Agree about Turner defending in the centre that will likely be seriously exposed by Wire if it's what we go with. If Gentle didn't know before he will now about Turner's weakness in this area. I hope that Turner is encouraged to move into the pack (or out) next season and we have a top centre on our shopping list who can help bring on Ben Crooks. Martin was a good buy on a one year deal despite the furore on here when he was signed - it's a shame he's not 7 or 8 years younger.
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| on this forum we now have gone from Tony Martin being an embarrassing signing to one now injured being irreplaceable
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| Quote ="dayvoz"on this forum we now have gone from Tony Martin being an embarrassing signing to one now injured being irreplaceable
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I don't see how the 2 are mutually exclusive, it just shows how weak we are at centre. If anything it just adds further embarassment that he's really not that good but still far better than our other option(s).
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| Quote ="UllFC"And how do you propose we avoid getting injuries in a contact sport?
We already played just 2 first team friendlies, less than most other teams.
Wait and see what Sunday brings, the players rumored may not be injured, Houghton may not play 80 because we may use Nicklas or Ellis etc'"
does not sound good does it nearly all our new signings injured without even a competitive game played but this should not matter if its the 1st game the 6th game or 20th game the coach has a squad and all he can do is pick the strongest team he thinks will get the result
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I don't see how the 2 are mutually exclusive, it just shows how weak we are at centre. If anything it just adds further embarassment that he's really not that good but still far better than our other option(s).'"
Tony Martin is an adequate SL centre,Turner is an ok third choice you talk as if all other clubs have massive strength in depth at centre,current champs Leeds are starting out with 2 young centres for example
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| Quote ="dayvoz"Tony Martin is an adequate SL centre,Turner is an ok third choice you talk as if all other clubs have massive strength in depth at centre,current champs Leeds are starting out with 2 young centres for example'"
Nobody's saying Martin is not adequate, but 'adequate' is not what I want us to be aspiring to for recruitment. I understand why he was brought in, but it's still a bit disappointing/embarassing that an adequate player of his age was the best we could do, and that we were in such a position where we needed to do it.
Not all clubs have better depth than us, but those around the top 6 do IMO, and that's what we should be aiming for/judging ourselves against. It's not so much about the depth I was getting at though, it's the first choices where we are behind the rest. I would say that several (if not most) SL clubs have 2 better centres than Martin.
The key with the Leeds comment is the word young. They are giving 2 good prospects a crack at it, which is to be applauded. We rightly did the same with Turner, but unfortunately he hasn't turned out to be good enough defensively.
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| They have Briers and Joel Monaghan injured aswell as Hodgson and Solomona (no loss)
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| Quote ="Edenmain"They have Briers and Joel Monaghan injured aswell as Hodgson and [uSolomona (no loss)[/u'"
Usually rips us a new one, glad he isn't playing.
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| Hasn't done anything for two years now, had it IMO.
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| Quote ="Edenmain"Hasn't done anything for two years now, had it IMO.'"
Still causes a lot of trouble with his offloads, but still a porker.
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