But its not about one game is it? its about the past 3 years of dross

TBF Agar's been in charge for almost 3 years.

Positives for me;

I won't be concerned on Friday nights that I can't make it any more.
I was very impressed with the results of 5 months of a settled squad all gelled together for the common good.
Thought fitness wise we showed up well. Though a little concerned that we were blowing for a tug after 20 minutes.
Thought that Dowes drove the ball in well and has clearly taken a leaf out of Ogre's book in the close season.
Think we have found a replacement for Cookie at last. Westerman outstanding and extremely creative.
Thought Fitz was an outstanding leader, taken the lead in everything especially the blowing for a tug session from minute 20 to 80.
The way all the left hand side of our attack, fought for the ball when Long hoisted a high bomb with 7 minutes to go showed a great desire to compete and win.

I could go on but all this positivity is making me feel dizzy.

agar hasnt or isnt getting the best out of our talented squad simple

So did Agar inspire them to a 14-0 lead or tell them to lose 34-22?

Westerman missing one on one tackles, Whiting making a few errors, Fitz giving penalties away? Why not sack the players too?

I am not Agar's biggest fan, honestly I am not but people blaming him are way wide of the mark.

And clearly stamped his 'personality' on the team.

True. He also has spent time revamping the squad for the better. I am not an Agar fan but lets give him at least half a dozen games.

Whose orders?

I'm neutral but will say the better team and bigger club won today.

So your telling us then that the moderators are happy at Agars tactics etc???

The mods, did you not read?

Independant thought, ban him!

If people want to say it, surely the forum has to let them and not try and channel any criticism down path entitled 'FC Bashing'? How can a thread about Westerman's performance get merged with a thread criticising the head coach?

People wait all off-season for a real game to discuss and then find they have to do the majority of it in one thread because the mods don't like the negative vibe? Seems very daft to me but I've had my warning through pm now so I'll leave it there.

The Illuminati's orders. They run everything.

Oddly enough some Wire fans used to say the same about Cullen. He was given about 3 years as well wasn't he. Boy have they gone backwards since he stepped down as he couldn't stand being part of a team with such a winning mentality.

Agar's had almost 3 years and he still isn't good enough.

I won't be posting on here if it is going to be one 'positive' and one 'negative' thread each week, it makes no sense and doesn't promote good discussion as out of context posts are just merged in and discussion doesn't flow properly.

In my opinion Richard Agar has to consider his future @ the club. It is not just one game as some one earlier stated. Mr Agar has been @ the club for a consider period & in my opinion, overall things have been going downhill.
From my observations more & more supporters are getting 'fed-up' & today's performance & result just compounds the situation.

Don't forget webster

Mr B is in a right stinking mood tonight, and he's a man of [uextreme[/u patience and good nature (as he needs to be, having been married to me for 17+ years). Tonight is the first time I can remember him complaining about the money we've paid for our season passes and the fact we've arranged holidays and weekends around Hull FC. I'm not one of these who say "this is the worst/most boring FC team I've ever seen" because that's simply untrue, but when Mr B starts to complain, having gone to virtually every game in 2008 and 2009 without doing so, you have to question whether the collective FC supporters patience is wearing wafer-thin. Feels like we're approaching the end of our tether tbh and any Berrigan/Tansey/injury style excuses will not be acceptable.

I agree, more and more 'casual' fans are getting fed up with Agar, its gone beyond the message board moaners and the erratic Radio Humberside callers.

I also presume from the lack of updates about pass sales recently that we are down on last seasons total. I suppose we will see on Friday night how many spaces there are in the East/South stands compared to last year.

And also on a positive note paul at least our leader has shown our team how to tie their boot laces! lol Go on laugh you know you want to, but i do agree with your post the players have a lot to answer for too today!

Agree with that. Feel exactly the same

The thing is I am not an Agar fan, he has done better in terms of recruitment and performances last season but he still has it all to prove for me. That said the players made the mistakes today and not Agar, it suits people to blame Agar, it somehow makes everything his fault when in reality it runs deeper than that.

No argument here, I said when Smith was wobbling as the GB coach we should make a move and snap him up. he is the reason for their change in fortunes.