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| I wouldn't take him back either. He has had a few injuries with Newcastle and his style of play, and what we would be bringing him over to do, doesn't lend well to playing well into your 30's
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I wouldn't take him back either. He has had a few injuries with Newcastle and his style of play, and what we would be bringing him over to do, doesn't lend well to playing well into your 30's'"
It could well just be "paper talk", the article says (now I've read it properly!),that he's one of a number of players FC are talking to.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I would have Green as he is solid and the other two offer more impact, particularity against tiring defences.'"
Taylor and Watts would be my starting props unless injured or drop in form, think Bowden some way in front of Green for starting spot imo
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Taylor and Watts would be my starting props unless injured or drop in form, think Bowden some way in front of Green for starting spot imo'"
I can see what you are saying, but think if we signed Paea, Watts would be moved to LF or backrow.
And think Bowden is better off the bench, but would be happy to see any of props start.
Green has played well this year (Was it the Wigan game he had a great game?), but his season has been disrupted by injuries.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"I was a big fan of Mickey but personally wouldn't take him back . 32 next year suspect injury record and guessing decent wage to get him back over here .'"
Quote ="Wilde 3"I wouldn't take him back either. He has had a few injuries with Newcastle and his style of play, and what we would be bringing him over to do, doesn't lend well to playing well into your 30's'"
I'm another who was a big fan of Paea but think at 32 and his injury record it wouldn't be a great move for us. Then again if LR & MT think he will do a job for us then we have to trust them.
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Whats your reasoning behind Green having a starting spot, not been argumentative, a genuine question'"
Pretty much what Dave said, Green is solid. Personally I prefer less Bowden out of the two as I think he has more to his game which would benefit us more off the bench imo.
To be fair if it was the other way round I still wouldn't kick up a fuss, as I think we have a great set of forwards.
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| I liked Micky when he was here but would not want him back due to age/injuries. Gaz Ellis is a perfect example of age/injury problems and he is a far better and fitter player than Micky. Personally I would play Manu at loose man and move Griffin to wing.
Recruit a young prop/2nd rower as cover. Lots of our younger players will be better next year for their experiences this year.
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| I wish we'd signed ikahihifo. Awesome player and we should be looking for a similar type of player IMO. I can see paea missing more games than he plays
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Pretty much what Dave said, Green is solid. Personally I prefer less Bowden out of the two as I think he has more to his game which would benefit us more off the bench imo.
To be fair if it was the other way round I still wouldn't kick up a fuss, as I think we have a great set of forwards.'"
I'll be honest, and I really hate to say it, because he seems like a really nice guy, but I just dont think Green will ever been anything but average , frustrates the life out of me , hes a beast psychically, but just doesnt punch his wait , hes still young enough to improve , just cant see him ever offering much more than average, and if we did sign micky , think green would struggle to make the 17.
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| And you can bet your bottom dollar Paea would be on vastly more than Green but wouldn't offer us that much more if anything. good player in the past but not now, really not now. This stunts the development of the likes of Fash and Matongo for me and IF we are to bring back Hadley I'd rather we went with the personnel that we already have than sign an over the hill aussie on big wages!
I don't agree that Green is 'average', he's more than a good solid squad player that deserves his place in the starting XVII most games, you can't expect every single player to be England international level (which is basically what you're wanting from him. he can do long minutes and is more than capable, as others have said, I'd have him on from the start and have others with more impact coming on in the last 15-20 mins.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"And you can bet your bottom dollar Paea would be on vastly more than Green but wouldn't offer us that much more if anything. good player in the past but not now, really not now. This stunts the development of the likes of Fash and Matongo for me and IF we are to bring back Hadley I'd rather we went with the personnel that we already have than sign an over the hill aussie on big wages!
I don't agree that Green is 'average', he's more than a good solid squad player that deserves his place in the starting XVII most games, you can't expect every single player to be England international level (which is basically what you're wanting from him. he can do long minutes and is more than capable, as others have said, I'd have him on from the start and have others with more impact coming on in the last 15-20 mins.'"
Fair points and I dont strongly disagree, and im not saying im massively excited of the prospect of signing paea , but if we did go down that route, from a fully fit squad I think green woukd struggle to make the 17 . I dont see how people think green deserves a starting spot despite who we sign , I dont think is form or ability deserve it to be honest , to many average games for me , id much prefer a bowden of late, just needs the consistency . And I agree , you cant have a team of internationals, green a is a good back up , bench player to me. I like to see our strongest front row from the start , and I dont think green will ever be that for us
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Fair points and I dont strongly disagree, and im not saying im massively excited of the prospect of signing paea , but if we did go down that route, from a fully fit squad I think green woukd struggle to make the 17 . I dont see how people think green deserves a starting spot despite who we sign , I dont think is form or ability deserve it to be honest , to many average games for me , id much prefer a bowden of late, just needs the consistency . And I agree , you cant have a team of internationals, green a is a good back up , bench player to me. I like to see our strongest front row from the start , and I dont think green will ever be that for us'"
Green should start watching Liam Watts and the way he runs angled lines rather then straight which makes it much easier for the defenders to tackle.
Once Green discovers he can bust tackles his confidence will soar and we will see Green on another level.
Masi seems to get better every game he plays and that shows he is developing well.
An injury prone Paea is not the answer in my opinion
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| Quote ="bonaire"Green should start watching Liam Watts and the way he runs angled lines rather then straight which makes it much easier for the defenders to tackle.
Once Green discovers he can bust tackles his confidence will soar and we will see Green on another level.
Masi seems to get better every game he plays and that shows he is developing well.
An injury prone Paea is not the answer in my opinion'"
Thats why I dont think he'll improve much more, hes been around the likes of watts, taylor, ellis, mini , manu, and doesnt to me seem to improve, I may sound harsh and dont mean to be, because I really really want him to be a top class player for hull
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Fair points and I dont strongly disagree, and im not saying im massively excited of the prospect of signing paea , but if we did go down that route, from a fully fit squad I think green woukd struggle to make the 17 . I dont see how people think green deserves a starting spot despite who we sign , I dont think is form or ability deserve it to be honest , to many average games for me , id much prefer a bowden of late, just needs the consistency . And I agree , you cant have a team of internationals, green a is a good back up , bench player to me. I like to see our strongest front row from the start , and I dont think green will ever be that for us'"
What does it matter if he starts or comes off the bench? Just because he isn't one of our two best props doesn't mean he shouldn't start. Just that I see others more suited to coming off the bench. Every single club in SL has at least one prop who is on par with Green regarding ability. He's young, solid, English, probably fairly cheap and committed. I'm happy to have Green at Hull.
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| green is actually the oldest of our 4 main props and bowden the youngest. I agree that green has all the physical attributes but there's something missing. He's 27 now so should be coming into his prime as a front rower so hopefully he'll get an injury free run and can start to get some more consistency into his game. he also needs to get more involved when he's on the field and be doing more minutes to take the pressure off taylor and watts
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| Got me our props rank in order as
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And I would still start with Taylor and Watts, the only reason I mentioned Green to start alongside Taylor was if Watts got moved to 13 which I could see Radders considering.
Imo he's our 4th choice prop yet I feel he would be best suited to start if we signed Paea. I don't get this, he's not good enough to start, surely it's who's suited to do what best, and for me Green would work best starting allowing us to bring Paea and Bowden off the bench due to the sheer size of them both, who both can cause havoc more than Green would.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Green should start watching Liam Watts and the way he runs angled lines rather then straight which makes it much easier for the defenders to tackle.
Once Green discovers he can bust tackles his confidence will soar and we will see Green on another level.
Masi seems to get better every game he plays and that shows he is developing well.
An injury prone Paea is not the answer in my opinion'"
What have you not been seeing in green.?
His footwork at the line is tremendous for a big guy. Hence only Taylor the only forward to beat him for metres per carry and why he averages a metre a carry more than watts. Green been brilliant. He was good all year even when hull iffy. Missed a few of hulls better games with knocks or he could of boosted his already good numbers
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"What does it matter if he starts or comes off the bench? Just because he isn't one of our two best props doesn't mean he shouldn't start. Just that I see others more suited to coming off the bench. Every single club in SL has at least one prop who is on par with Green regarding ability. He's young, solid, English, probably fairly cheap and committed. I'm happy to have Green at Hull.'"
Personally like my best props starting, and my replacement props to make an impact , not just give the starting props a rest. He as all the physical attributes to do so, but very rearly does. Im happyto have a green at hull to, just always think he'll always be on the fringes and never a watts or a taylor
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| It's my opinion granted. And we all have our own. But regarding Green its an odd 1 among hull fans for me. Not sure what some of you have been watching. I can't fault Green this year. Unlucky to have had a fee missed games when hull have had some form. Because he was going well even when hull were a bit off and was having to carry the extra load of watts being banned loads
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"What have you not been seeing in green.?
His footwork at the line is tremendous for a big guy. Hence only Taylor the only forward to beat him for metres per carry and why he averages a metre a carry more than watts. Green been brilliant. He was good all year even when hull iffy. Missed a few of hulls better games with knocks or he could of boosted his already good numbers'"
How many carries have watts and green made?
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"How many carries have watts and green made?'"
Watts 193
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All missed a few games this year
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| If we keep micheals then we only have 1 non fed place available which I'd rather use on a 2nd rower or outside back
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| Am I missing something with these new central contracts
Jamie Shaul not considered ?
Would that not ease some salary cap
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Am I missing something with these new central contracts
Jamie Shaul not considered ?
Would that not ease some salary cap'"
Just shows what a joke of an idea it is. Assuming Hardaker and Tomkins were both considered for it (being England internationals, although not sure if that makes a hot of difference), if you have Shaul that's 4 out of the 12 central contracts awarded to fullbacks.
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| All our props are doing well.
Some better than others but that's normal isn't it ?.
Taylors learnt, and his best is still to come at the business end. Maybe true of Green too, he's pacing himself nicely..
I think Liam has burnt the most enegy so far, so just hope he doesn't burn himself out like Tag did last year, as Watts is just too important for us.
They'll all be measured ultimately by what they do from now till Old Trafford.
The biggest and most intense battles are all ahead of us, and for me they're building up nicely
We may yet have the best pack addition still to come if Ellis is targetting a big finale before the boots are on the peg.
On Paea, I would simply trust our good recruitment record, the team will do ALL the homework and make the right decision.
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