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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I’m not sure how anyone can defend him.
He’s called a woman a slut, a whore and threatened to assault her.
Whether he is sober, tanked up on booze or high on class A is irrelevant. The issue is his abusive and threatening behaviour.
Radford had talked a lot about culture, standards off the field and the professional expectations he has of his players. Kelly has put him in a position where he either has to act and release his best player, or undermine everything he has said in recent weeks.'"
Good post . The fans are backing him . Let’s see if Redford & Pearson really respect the culture and values at the club . Or Can Alibi Albey . do as he wants like Liam Watts alluded to ........
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Answer the question please
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Diversion doesn’t work with me .....sad.
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| Quote ="The Reason"Diversion doesn’t work with me .....sad.'"
You're unable to answer a question on double standards. Brilliant A giver but not a taker apparently
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| Quote ="The Reason"Diversion doesn’t work with me .....sad.'"
time this troll was buried under his brdge. The AUP seems to be forgotten
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| Quote ="The Reason"Good post . The fans are backing him . Let’s see if Redford & Pearson really respect the culture and values at the club . Or Can Alibi Albey . do as he wants like Liam Watts alluded to ........'"
I see a lot of Hull fans stating categorically Kelly is in the wrong.
Admittedly not as in the wrong for testing positive to a class A substance, but he needs a telling off.
Btw, you are the worst troll since cabman.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I’m not sure how anyone can defend him.
He’s called a woman a slut, a whore and threatened to assault her.
Whether he is sober, tanked up on booze or high on class A is irrelevant. The issue is his abusive and threatening behaviour.
Radford had talked a lot about culture, standards off the field and the professional expectations he has of his players. Kelly has put him in a position where he either has to act and release his best player, or undermine everything he has said in recent weeks.'"
You really think he should be sacked for this? The culture thing is on the pitch and whilst at the club. He deserved to be told off, but there is no way he should be sacked.
If he behaviour continues, fair enough, but after this one incident, there is no way he should be sacked.
I expect the club to release a statement tomorrow saying Kelly has been internally disciplined and him to play in France next week.
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| Quote ="Dave K."You really think he should be sacked for this? The culture thing is on the pitch and whilst at the club. He deserved to be told off, but there is no way he should be sacked.
If he behaviour continues, fair enough, but after this one incident, there is no way he should be sacked.
I expect the club to release a statement tomorrow saying Kelly has been internally disciplined and him to play in France next week.'"
Agree with the above.
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| Quote ="Dave K."You really think he should be sacked for this? The culture thing is on the pitch and whilst at the club. He deserved to be told off, but there is no way he should be sacked.
If he behaviour continues, fair enough, but after this one incident, there is no way he should be sacked.
I expect the club to release a statement tomorrow saying Kelly has been internally disciplined and him to play in France next week.'"
Absolutely.
Not for getting off his face, but for calling someone a slut, a whore and threatening to assault them.
If he’s allowed to continue at the club they are condoning the abuse and intimidation of women.
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| Quote ="The Reason"Diversion doesn’t work with me .....sad.'"
Your Q on the VT.
[i"Has anyone seen Kelly's wife?"[/i
Are you going to elaborate further for us?
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Absolutely.
Not for getting off his face, but for calling someone a slut, a whore and threatening to assault them.
If he’s allowed to continue at the club they are condoning the abuse and intimidation of women.'"
Will have to agree to disagree, rugby players have done a lot worst and not been sacked. I'd say the same if he was a Rovers or Cas player, massive overreaction from some people.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista" To summarise:
You've called for condemnation of Kelly, quite a lot, on here over the last 24 hours and cited bigoted comments as a worse thing than Class A drugs. Fair enough. It seems odd therefore that you were far less discomforted by Hull KR signing Justin Carney due to his sacking for, er, bigoted comments. And also a bit shoulder shruggy about acknowledged instances casual misogyny. My beef I guess is that you're trying to disguise the same basic tribal hypocrisy we are all guilty of with a veneer of moral impartiality, which doesn't wash. Back to the Class A drugs thing for a moment as an aside; I assume you meant use of, rather than dealing in, as something to take relatively lightly?'"
I was surprised at the initial reaction. I thought there’d be a wider range, based on previous experience. While, as has been pointed out a few times, this isn’t the worst thing ever, it still belongs somewhere on the spectrum of bad things.
Carney served an 8 match ban for racially abusing an opponent, which seems broadly proportionate for such a serious offence. Salford released him a couple of weeks later and he served out the rest of the ban with Rovers. He behaved badly, was punished and then resumed his career.
From what we’ve seen, it looks to me that Kelly has behaved badly, should probably be punished and can then get on with things. Like anybody, he deserves a chance to explain himself to his employer. In any case, the circumstances are different to Carney’s situation and any punishment should reflect that. As far as i’m aware, sexist abuse is not covered by the same legislation as racist abuse, so there’s an arguable case for it being viewed less seriously, and also it didn’t happen in a game so the responsibility falls to the club rather than the RFL. Without significant mitigation, to me a proportionate response would be something like a fine, a warning, an apology and, possibly, get him to attend a relevant course - alcohol awareness, anger management or similar. I disagree with those who believe that a quiet word from Radford would, by itself, be sufficient or send the right signal and those who think that it’s not even really worthy of attention. That some are offering joking validation is somewhat dismaying. I know ribaldry is part of our tradition, and there’s undoubtedly a comedic element to his behaviour - but in a laugh at rather than laugh with way.
Anyway, I shall say no more about it here. I even promise.
On the drug dealer thing, obviously with everything that comes with it in current circumstances it is both very serious and different to use, especially given the involvement of organised crime groups. However, if the trade was regulated, rather than illegal, like that for some other potentially harmful things, such as alcohol, tobacco, and (more relevantly to the US) firearms, i’d regard the trade as somewhere in amongst those. One for the Sin Bin, innit? I don’t think UK gun laws should be relaxed, btw.
Quote ="Mrs Barista"And also a bit shoulder shruggy about acknowledged instances casual misogyny.'"
I’m sorry if that is how you feel. Thank you though for assuaging my guilt, and sparing me any further self-flaggelation. It’s a weight off.
Have a nice evening.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"If he’s allowed to continue at the club they are condoning the abuse and intimidation of women.'"
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Absolutely.
Not for getting off his face, but for calling someone a slut, a whore and threatening to assault them.
If he’s allowed to continue at the club they are condoning the abuse and intimidation of women.'"
Surely Hull FC and Adam Pearson will not do this .
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| Quote ="The Reason"Surely Hull FC and Adam Pearson will not do this .'"
Go on.
Tell us about Kelly's wife?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Will have to agree to disagree, rugby players have done a lot worst and not been sacked. I'd say the same if he was a Rovers or Cas player, massive overreaction from some people.'"
Perhaps so.
I’m pretty hard-line on player conduct. They don’t just represent their club, but the game as a whole. I don’t want people thinking RL players go around getting -faced, calling women sluts and whores and threatening to assault them.
I feel we have to take a hard-line against such behaviour.
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Albert Kelly has called a woman a slut and a whore purely based on the fact she’s a woman. He’s then threatened to assault her.
If the club do nothing, they are saying this behaviour is acceptable.
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| Only just noticed on second viewing that a Police officer walks past at the end of the video, surely if the staff felt so threatened theyd have shouted him over, instead of just videoing for social media?
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He’s used abusive language that is driven by the fact it’s a female who is serving him. The words ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ are most definately terms of sexist abuse.
He’s also threaten to assault her, which isn’t sexist.
There’s a difference between behaving like a tool and subjecting someone to sexist and derogatory abuse. His behaviour falls into the latter category in my view.
As to whether it’s a crime, I think that’s debatable too. Legally, assault is deemed to be when “a person performs an act by which they intentionally or recklessly causes another person to apprehend immediate unlawful violence”. I could easily argue that he assaulted her by saying he would “put her on the concrete”.
It’s also a criminal offence to use “threatening, abusive or insulting words within the hearing of someone likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by them.” Again, I could argue that this is the case here.
So.... crime of the century? No. Potentially illegal? Yes.
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| Quote ="The Reason"Taken off VT
He’s used abusive language that is driven by the fact it’s a female who is serving him. The words ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ are most definately terms of sexist abuse.
He’s also threaten to assault her, which isn’t sexist.
There’s a difference between behaving like a tool and subjecting someone to sexist and derogatory abuse. His behaviour falls into the latter category in my view.
As to whether it’s a crime, I think that’s debatable too. Legally, assault is deemed to be when “a person performs an act by which they intentionally or recklessly causes another person to apprehend immediate unlawful violence”. I could easily argue that he assaulted her by saying he would “put her on the concrete”.
It’s also a criminal offence to use “threatening, abusive or insulting words within the hearing of someone likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by them.” Again, I could argue that this is the case here.
So.... crime of the century? No. Potentially illegal? Yes.'"
That’s my post on the VT.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Albert Kelly has called a woman a slut and a whore purely based on the fact she’s a woman. He’s then threatened to assault her.
If the club do nothing, they are saying this behaviour is acceptable.'"
Ignoring that fact that you don’t know what was said/done before the video clip, of course.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Albert Kelly has called a woman a slut and a whore purely based on the fact she’s a woman. He’s then threatened to assault her.
If the club do nothing, they are saying this behaviour is acceptable.'"
Do nothing or sack him, they are two very different things?
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"That’s my post on the VT.'"
Seeing as he's your new bezzy mate could you ask him what he was implying about Albert's wife?
He's being a little diversionary when I ask.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Try again. I said he was an idiot and there should be consequences.
Separately you said our fans as a collective were fickle for defending him. I said if they were defending him that made them loyal not fickle.
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You never you said ..Surely we are the most faithful we loved him before and are sort of defending him now “
Therefore you condone what he did cockle . Verbally abusing a young girl .
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Absolutely.
Not for getting off his face, but for calling someone a slut, a whore and threatening to assault them.
If he’s allowed to continue at the club they are condoning the abuse and intimidation of women.'"
No point us sacking him as I don't think you have the cap space
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Mrs Barista wroteSurely we are the most faithful we loved him before and are sort of defending him now “
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