Yes I do, Whiting has done well but Yeaman has still been the better centre. All they are fairly worthless the stats would also back that up.

I think Yeaman has had a poor season. Flies out of the line way too many times and misses the tackle, Shows little vision in attack and seems almost incapable of putting his winger away. As someone has mentioned earlier, he's a fraction of the player he was when he won his GB cap and at times earlier in the season looked largely disinterested.

Disagree with most of that, Yes he jumps out of the line at times, often as he has been left out on a limb by the rest of the defence. He often makes those tackles though and has also saved plenty of tries. He makes good yardage from his dummy half runs. He seems to be giving Briscoe some decent balls but in fairness Yeaman hardly gets a decent pass which imo is why he does not look as good as he did 2/3 years ago. I don't think he looks disinterested in the slightest.

I don't see Whiting putting Calderwood away that often, he also misses tackle even if he does not jump out of the line.

Yeaman is a better centre even when he is not at his best, put him in Leeds side and people would see a completely different player.

And often not. Our left hand side has been shocking at times this season and he's partly to blame. I'd agree that in the last few games he's been on a hiding to nothing given the compressed nature of our defensive pattern.



I'd say he makes them sometimes, others not. I certainly wouldn't say he makes enough of them stick. When Barnett stepped out of the line like that (who I assume he's trying to emulate), he made it count just about every time.



He makes reasonable yardage, I'd say.



I'd certainly take that point. Lack of service is a big issue for all our three quarters, but I don't think Yeaman has made particularly good use of the ball he does get. Are you denying that he needs to improve his vision/handling to put his winger away?



In recent games, I'd be tempted to agree. Earlier in the season, I thought he looked like he couldn't be d.



Rarely, and usually down to the fact that we're too compressed in the middle and he and Calderwood have been left with a two man overlap to defend. I reckon he puts Calderwood away as many times as can be expected given the service they get. Yeaman has always had a bit of a problem in this area, IMO.



This I disagree with. Yeaman has been a better centre in the past, and could be again in the future. As it happens, he's had a reletively poor couple of seasons and Whiting - particularly when you take into account he's just come back from two serious injuries - has done more or less all that could be expected of him.

Interesting Paul that you think Yeaman has had a decent season while Berrigan has been rubbish, I would say that berrigan has been a better player for Hull this year than Yeaman.

Yeaman needs to step up this season and certainly next (when he will have Long playing with him), he will be on a hugh contract at Hull and hasnt earnt it in the past year and a half,

Yeaman has always had issue with putting his winger away but it's something he has got better at and I think it come with maturity. Senior was always rubbish at it but as his career went on he became much more aware of it and as a result better at it.

Whiting does well at centre but imo if you asked every SL club who they would rather have at centre I reckon they would all pick Yeaman.I would say Whiting has done okay this season but nothing more than that.

I would like us to sign a centre for next season rather than persisting with Whiting/Horne. Providing we get the ball wider earlier then Yeaman will do very well for Hull and will challenge for International honours again.

Yeaman needs to improve I don't deny that, he is not as good as he was 3 years ago. That said he still regularly finishes as one ouf our leading try scorers and is also reliant on service like any centre.

Berrigan to me looks either injured or not interested. His distribution from dummy half is appauling at times and is so slow it's untrue.

Better, but still not great.



If you are reffering to the Yeaman of 3 years ago, I'd very much agree.



He's been very good, I reckon, and without much service.



I'd be happy to see Whiting there next year. He'll also do very well if he's given the ball early enough. He'll never be an international centre because of his lack of pace, but I do reckon that, in a side with a decent attacking structure, he could be a very valuable asset at SL level.



As for the Berrigan thing - he's been miles better than Yeaman this year. And, to turn your argument around, if you asked most SL clubs who they'd rather have in their team out of Yeaman and Berrigan, who do you reckon it'd be?

But then you are comparing a centre with a hooker. The comparison with Yeaman and Whiting was due to them both playing centre? So it would depend if they wanted a hooker or a centre.

I fail to see what Whiting has done that's so great this season, he has done okay but not that much better than Horne who was scoring plenty of tries. You agreed Yeaman has got better at putting his winger away but was still not great. I never said Yeaman was a great centre, but neither is Whiting by a long chalk, he does a job there but is not as good as Yeaman and Yeaman also has the capability of getting much better as he has previously shown.

Either way we disagree so it doesn't matter tbh.

You don't think most (if not all) SL clubs would rather take Berrigan as a centre? Really?



He's been 100% better than Horne. In just about every facet of the game. He's a player you can feel confident is in your side. Horne, much less so.



No, Senior. You said Senior had got better and I agreed that he had, but still wasn't the best at putting his winger away.



Isn't that what the board is for?

They both have areas in which they are better than the other:

Pace: Yeaman
Handling: Whiting
Upper body strength: Yeaman
Defence: Whiting

On balance, an in-form Yeaman would be picked at centre ahead of Whiting. But we haven't seen an in-form Yeaman for a good couple of seasons now.

As Berrigan is regarded as a superstar who has played for Australia and SOO then I reckon most clubs would, not sure what the relevance to Whiting and Yeaman is though?

You will never convince me Whiting is better than Yeaman and vice versa so regardless of what this forum is for its pointless continuing with this discussion as we both have stated our views, going over and over them won't change our opinions.

I don't like using the stats but it's always worth a look.

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=1957&hs2=2009&hp2=229&stat=tries&season=2009Whiting v Yeaman[/url

[url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=1957&hs2=2009&hp2=1037&stat=tries&season=2009Whiting v Horne[/url

Looking at stats I would say Horne and Yeaman have been the better centres overall. Certainly in no way whatsoever has Whiting been 100% better than Horne. Even when Yeaman is not at his best he is still our best centre. Whiting is a utility player that can do a job in a number of positions. Hopefully he will get a new deal.

I do. Different type of player too, Yeaman needs the service that Whiting doesnt.

Ok, let me spell it out for you:

If the fact that most clubs would rather sign Yeaman over Whiting is proof of how good he is, than surely the same applies the other way around. Even though you reckon Berrigan has been 'rubbish'.



You see, this is why you should read things more closely. I'm not, nor have I ever been, trying to convince you that Whiting is a better centre than Yeaman. I have said that they both offer different strengths and that Whiting is in better form [iat the moment.[/i I also said on balance that an in form Yeaman would be picked ahead of Whiting.







If you don't like using them, why bother? They tell us next to nowt and I much prefer to watch a game and exercise my own judgement than rely on a bunch of numbers.




This whole paragraph seems somewhat redundant. May I remind you of this:

If the last paragraph was redundant why do you respond to the rest of the post. The point was you said Whiting had been better than Yeaman this season and 100% better than Horne, neither of which are true imo.

Anyway moving on, I believe Whiting has been more flexible/realistic with his contract demands so is hopefully likely to get another deal, hope so.

Because I wasn't the one who said that it wasn't worth continuing the discussion, but then decided to continue it anyway.



At least you've managed to get through your head what I was actually saying now. That's a good start.

Check my first post in response to your question.



So I managed to [iget[/i your point from the start, nothing needed to get through.

Then why say:



...when it's patently obvious that I wasn't trying to do anything of the sort?

Due to the fact that the discussion had moved on and became a more general discussion about the two players, or so I thought.

I see. Because I thought that I had put:



And in the very next post you replied:



Whichever way you look at it, however 'general' you thought the discussion had become, at no point did I try to convince you of anything of the sort.

Based on this season's form you said that Whiting had been better than Yeaman, which I disagreed with in my very first reply to you, as I have already indicated. You said an in form Yeaman would be better than Whiting but he had been out of form for 2/3 years, regardless of which I maintained Yeaman was still better even when out of form.

There is really nothing more to say, you think Whiting has been better and I don't.

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