You know what they say about only seeing what you want to see (and it cuts both ways

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Dowes is starting to look burnt out now judjing by last night's peformance.
His worst game of the season IMO.

given more time and used correctly moa could be a good player

Agreed.

Moa isn't good enough to take up a valuable non fed spot IMO.

He has the ability to be good enough imo if used correctly. He always sucks 4 tacklers in which would allow us to exploit gaps with smart half back play like at Bradford away. He layed the platform for a couple of tries there and nearly broke Burgess in half.

I think that he could become a decent impact prop, given the right conditioning and coaching so he will have to go elsewhere for that.

Everytime he comes on, he hits the defensive line harder than anyone we currently have and always takes a lot of bringing down. He also puts in some big hits in defense. It's not his fault that Agar is a clown and that he can't "work hard" like every other forward that we have.

I think that if we were to perservere with him, get him fit and develop his attributes, albeit raw ones, I think he could turn out to be a decent signing.

Anybody comparing him with big hutch is just taking the pi$$.

Spot on, age, ability and desire are the 3 big differences!

Exactly.

We have props who do 60 minutes for the reserves but in the championship are blowing after 20.

Nowhere near the same pace.

I really cant see everybody's problem. The bloke obviously wants to play and always gives it his all. I would be dissapointed not to offer him a contract. The problem with him does not lie with him. If somebody wont let him play its not his fault. Made more yards than King imo

100% agree

I'll second that

of course they will be but an impact prop will only play 2 15-20 min spells in any normal team.

if he came on with 15-20 mins gone went off just before halftime then came back on after 10-15 mins of second half gone for another 20 mins Moa wouldn't look out of place

The fact is RA and JS are completely wasting this guy. The don't know how to use him properley, they brought him on just before halftime which is pointless and only gave him on 18 minute spell.

It's there clueless coaching that is the problem here, Moa has doen quite well in attack and defence is every game he's played, he just needs to be given more time of the field.

Yes but that is how a impact prop plays and that makes way too much sense.I will tell you what a good impact prop should do, come on after 30 minutes, stays on til about 50 minutes and then thats it. All this nonsense about an impact prop doing two spells is beyond me! Next you will be telling me that a loose forward should be a ball handler and not a battering ram! or that the way forward is to spread the ball, and not simply 5 drives and a gash kick!

Which is why they should have thrown Moa on in the last 10 mins. We were never going to win the game, but he could have at least had a few drives and put himself about a bit.

The two of them are clueless! Id rather see Tony 'The Tank' Gordon at the helm!

Moa has the ability to create something too. It was his hit in the last 10 of the first half i think that made the leeds man drop the ball. He has power both in defence and attack and will get better with more game time.

Tony 'The Tank' Gordon!

Didint he used to let the players choose the 2 substitutes for matchday?!?!?

Like it, empower the players to choose their own line up and tactics.

I felt he made one big error, but he played with much more enthusiasm and effort than 3/4 of the rest of the team

Personally like him.

He won't be on more than 25K & is a cube who hits really hard.

There are questions about fitness but you can't slaughter a guy for one knock on for goodness sake.

He should come on after 25 minutes ish & blast till half time.

5 - 10 mins of second half then maybe a further late burst.

He does run hard enough to break the line & draw many tacklers unlike last year's testimonial man !

I definitely would. At least we signed a young exiting prospect like Tevita Vaikona. Miles better for us at than he was as a winger for Bradford IMO. Anyway, Sam is a similar kind of signing. He's raw but he has bags of potential.

Thought he just had saddle bags

For the type of money he's on I'd keep him. Fa'asavalu was at Saints a couple of years before he even got a run in tghe first team. For me it's all down to Sam and how much he wants it. I agree with the point made about him not being used properly.