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| Is this the rumours thread or the bickering thread?
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"My point is are you saying players are supposed to be role models (and Long was not a good one) or are you saying players are not expected to be role models?'"
You miss-understood the Cheerleader comment, the coach is the role model who is the one who sets the examples in the team.
If a player got off with a cheerleader (she was right age, he was not married) no it would not be a problem, he is not the married coach who is the role model for the team/club.
However the only thing Longy had done in his career was to get off with a cheerleader this discussion would not even be taking place!....Longy is remembered more for his off filed antics as he is for those on...He is a poor role model for the sport off the field.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Maybe....but I personally am not convinced. I am sure although Kearney was a role model he certainly would have experienced that side of the game with some of the players he played with.'"
Didnt Kearney fall from a balcony whilst drunk on the 1993 Kiwi tour?
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"It is all about respect, Kearney had it in bagfulls because of the way he conducted his playing career, a role model professional. Who respects a player whose exploits are well publicised like Longys, too many to list.
I personally do not think Longy has grown up his public spats on his twitter feed defending Gleeson do not portray a mature adult tbh.
Not sure what your point is about the Milward comment, Milward was the coach, the role model. I would expect players do get off with cheerleaders but they are not the role models who are supposed to lead by example.'"
I think you are too hung up on holding people's past against them. Andrew Johns was a confirmed drug-user in his playing days but has worked in coaching with a few clubs now, Ellery Hanley went to prison and went on to a few successes as a coach, their past deeds don't mean they aren't respected by anyone. I'm not saying that Long will be a great coach, or even a good one, I just think it's wrong to state he won't be on the strength of a few stories and a twitter feed. Those who actually speak to him may find him to be very different than the impression you've formed.
My point about Millward was pretty much what you've just said. Acceptable behaviour is different for players/coaches, and Long will be smart enough to know that, so my point is that he'll know that he can't behave the way he has done in the past as a coach and will probably cease to do so.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Didnt Kearney fall from a balcony whilst drunk on the 1993 Kiwi tour?'"
Maybe not sure, but it hardly compares to Longys escapades does it
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Longy is remembered more for his off filed antics as he is for those on'"
sorry, but that is bullshine, 3 time Lance Todd trophy winner.
I suggest you get the tea on.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"You posted one of the most ridiculous comments ever just like you do if you think you are right, and believe me you have posted a few.You used a [urole model professional player[/u who went on to coach and win a world club against Sean Long who is certainly not a professional role model.
If I had to employ a 2nd (ex player) it would be some-one like Kearney,or Swainey or even Webster who had gone through their careers displaying the kind of professionalism they would expect from their players.'"
My god you really are dramatic these days
We were talking coaches not role models. You said you are not interested in players who want to go into coaching. My point, which was very valid when you calm down was that Long is only doing exactly what Kearney has just done.
You have just been creaming yourself over Edwards but he did exactly what Long is doing.
If Long was being mentioned as our next head coach you would have a valid point but plenty of SL clubs go down the route of having an assistant who is a recently retired player. Examples would be Poaching at Wire, Lowes at Leeds, Cummings at Bulls, Webster at Hull etc. For you to say it's the wrong road if we want to challenge is silly, Tony Smith would agree.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I think you are too hung up on holding people's past against them. Andrew Johns was a confirmed drug-user in his playing days but has worked in coaching with a few clubs now, Ellery Hanley went to prison and went on to a few successes as a coach, their past deeds don't mean they aren't respected by anyone. I'm not saying that Long will be a great coach, or even a good one, I just think it's wrong to state he won't be on the strength of a few stories and a twitter feed. Those who actually speak to him may find him to be very different than the impression you've formed.
My point about Millward was pretty much what you've just said. Acceptable behaviour is different for players/coaches, and Long will be smart enough to know that, so my point is that he'll know that he can't behave the way he has done in the past as a coach and will probably cease to do so.'"
You may be right.....However if we troll back through the pages, my original point was I would not want him at FC and I stand by that.
For the record I was chatting to him in the sports bar a few weeks ago and he seemed a friendly man, it may work for him it may not, but personally I doubt he will set the coaching world alight.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"My god you really are dramatic these days
We were talking coaches not role models. You said you are not interested in players who want to go into coaching. My point, which was very valid when you calm down was that Long is only doing exactly what Kearney has just done.
[uYou have just been creaming yourself[/u over Edwards but he did exactly what Long is doing.
If Long was being mentioned as our next head coach you would have a valid point but plenty of SL clubs go down the route of having an assistant who is a recently retired player. Examples would be Poaching at Wire, Lowes at Leeds, Cummings at Bulls, Webster at Hull etc. For you to say it's the wrong road if we want to challenge is silly, Tony Smith would agree.'"
Oh dear me
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"You may be right.....However if we troll back through the pages, my original point was I would not want him at FC and I stand by that.
For the record I was chatting to him in the sports bar a few weeks ago and he seemed a friendly man, it may work for him it may not, but personally I doubt he will set the coaching world alight.'"
I'm agree with what Standee said on this one, with the current coaching setup, no, if we got a good coach in who wanted him on board, I'd have no problem with it.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Oh dear me
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Not literally hopefully, he's not the cutest on the block.
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| Also didn't kearney miss the start of the season trying to show off how much he could press in the gym ?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Not literally hopefully, he's not the cutest on the block.'"
Your uncouth, I will debate/argue with any-one but there is really no need to write things like that on a board young people may read!
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Your uncouth, I will debate/argue with any-one but there is really no need to write things like that on a board young people may read!'"
You highlighted it ffs
I used creaming as going overboard with excitement. Anyway I made my point about Long and players going into coaching.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You highlighted it ffs
I used creaming as going overboard with excitement. Anyway I made my point about Long and players going into coaching.'"
I highlighted to make you aware of what I was replying to
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I highlighted to make you aware of what I was replying to
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So if I said I was creaming myself over a great try you'd take that literally, purlease!
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| Has anyone got a link to the Shaun Edwards at the KC "report" or is it a wind-up?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Has anyone got a link to the Shaun Edwards at the KC "report" or is it a wind-up?'"
Some-one told me this morning they read it in the Daily Star today, I have been unable to find a link though, and I am unable to confirm as I do not get the Daily Star.
Sadly I doubt there will be any truth in it.
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| Wouldn't Edwards be busy with the Wales RU team at the moment?
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Wouldn't Edwards be busy with the Wales RU team at the moment?'"
Finished with them in March I thought, bit of a disagreement if rumours are to be believed.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"Finished with them in March I thought, bit of a disagreement if rumours are to be believed.'"
He's the current defence coach of Wales and head coach of Wasps. Reckon he'll be on a few quid don't you?
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| Quote ="OmneFC"If AP were to be interviewing for Agar's replacement, I highly doubt he would do it at the KC.......'"
It's ok, I don't think ICM knows who he is!
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| Quote ="Smiggs":2bjonlkoHe's the current defence coach of Wales and head coach of Wasps. Reckon he'll be on a few quid don't you?'" :2bjonlko
Yes I reckon he is, but hopefully AP realises you have to spend big to get the best. For those who are concerned he has only coached RU here is an extract from his Wiki.....Although it is still probably only a pipe dream
Edwards, who in the past has borrowed training drills from American football and wrestling, is a coaching magpie. He had playing spells in Australia and New Zealand with the aim of filling out his rugby education, went on a coaching course in the latter and also spent unpaid time [u:2bjonlkoshadowing league great Wayne Bennett at Brisbane Broncos[/u
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