Rather an odd change of tactic - you're now saying Richard Horne is a capable halfback.

Well that's strange...

Usually when someone claims that the other "doesn't know what they're talking about", they try to reason why.

I'll take it that you've conceded defeat.

If Horne's in your top 3, you need to re-evaluate and think again.

Capable of mediocrity.

Form is temporary, mediocrity is permanent.

So every hull fan on here, must be over 20 had Horne is their top three, except you, and you think they must re-evaluate their top three?

Not been a massive horne fan for the last couple of years, but this year he has been excellent, making breaks, setting up try's and even an improved kicking game.

You are making your self look a bit stupid.

It's patently obvious to everyone but you that you're talking nonsense.

You're confusing where you'd like us to be with where we actually are. We're a mid-table side and we've suffered more than our fair share of injuries. In those difficult circumstances, Horne has still managed to be somewhere near the top of the assists chart. If you don't think he's had a very good first half of the season, you're bonkers.

Why does it matter what other halfbacks can do? We don't have other halfbacks, we've got Horne & he's doing a pretty decent job so far.

My top 3 would be Horne, McDonnell & Green so far.

Horne, McDonnell and Houghton for me, but Horne is a clear first as everyone on here can see, except for one troll,

After Horne, I can see the case for Westerman, Lineham and others. Not much in it really and Lynch is getting up there now after a slow start. I can see him being up there again by the end of the season

I don't think 20 Hull fans is an adequate sample size, really. Evidently so, since nobody out of these 20 can reason with me how Horne has allegedly "carried us for the full year" without resorting to just mere opinion.

Horne hasn't been excellent for the full year. He's found a slight peak of form, that's it.

Although it's irrelevant to the topic of this thread, I will be proven right given the end of the year. I'm not hoping for this, it's just fact.

You need to follow my argument properly. Try to actually reason why I may be wrong other than using the 'wisdom of the crowd' argument to back up your claim.

Can you not read, in my last post I mentioned why he had been excellent.

This thread is called half way through top 3 players, so even if Horne has a poor 2nd Hal of the season, he has still been one of our top three players at this point, so you won't be proven wrong at all.

A concept which our troll is deliberately ignoring.

It makes me laugh, he claims that 20 people isn't enough to form an opinion, but his one man campaign is good enough to suggest Horne hasn't been a top player for us this year.

Like your opinion that, despite Horne being near to the top of the try assists charts and whatnot, he's not having a very good season?



That's why this thread is about the first half of the year.



You cannot be proven right at the end of the year when we're talking only about the first half of the season. Logic, innit? Also, your opinion about how Horne will play for the second half of the season is just about as far from 'fact' as it's possible to be.



Your argument is a meandering stroll down dog lane.

1 - Try again, I can provide examples of why Horne's season so far has only been mediocre with a recent peak of form. Do I really have to go through a game-by-game analysis showing the games previously at the start of this season where he's shown no spark or creativity at all or made mistakes? I expect more from a halfback than this, so should every other Hull fan. Therefore he shouldn't be in your top 3. Simple.

2 - When I say "Horne hasn't been excellent for the full year", I mean the year so far. Woops.

3 - Yes I can. When the end of the year comes around. It will show that Horne's season was mediocre at the start, a peak in form, and then drops back to being mediocre again while we get knocked out of the play-offs by a team that won't regard as highly a player's performances such as Horne's as you do. Understand now? Good.

4 - Trivial and pathetic contribution.

Well, give me a reason to believe his season so far has been anything other than mediocre with only a recent peak of form.

You can't, because it hasn't.

What you said previously can just be deduced to "he's been good", which is mere opinion as I said.

I'm sure this must be some kind of elaborate joke that I'm not getting.

The only elaborate joke is the fickle attitude that a lot of sports fans seem to have.

Not as many people at all (except for the fans who favour Horne over other players because he's local) were saying Horne has been the best player so far 4/5 weeks/rounds ago. So why now? Even though he's found some form, he still performed to his mediocre level for the majority of the years. The things that he's now doing in games is what you should demand from your halfback for the majority of the year as a bare minimum. Therefore, he should be nowhere near the top 3 players so far.

What about this do people not understand?

You have no rugby knowledge at all, like to respect people's opinions but he's miles ahead of anyone in our team, fellow players will tell you, the coaches will tell you n most fans will. Coaching staff see worthy of a new deal, every fan on here can see it, his stats speak for themselves even in a hard to excel team at times this yr but you think it's bias? Even though most on here were openly critical of him prior to season and have eaten humble pie!

Just out of interest who would you say have been our top 3 players so far this season?

That can be the only explanation. I'm done now, there's little point in arguing with idiots.

Ad hominem



Nobody's eating humble pie because Horne's decided to put in performances that a proper halfback would consider to be a bare minimum for the past 4 games. He's a halfback, he's meant to assist tries, but should be doing this every game, not just for the last few.

Who's being fickle?


The stuff about him only being popular because he's local is undiluted bollox trotted out by folk with no other argument. Horne's had plenty of critics over recent seasons. He's getting praise now because he's playing well now. What part of that do you fail to understand?

And he's been getting praise pretty much from the first game he played. The reason why he's 'only just now' being mentioned as being in our top 3 players so far this season is because this is the first time anyone's asked the question.

You clearly have an agenda where Horne is concerned. Or you're trolling. Either way it's making you look daft.

Did you ring 5Live last night suggesting City hire Terry Venables for £5 million for a week's work?

These 2 instances are biggest loads of idiotic tripe I've ever heard/read in my life, seems too coincidental that they'd happen less than a day apart from different people.

This is the pinnacle of daftness in a thread full of daft posts by your good self.

He's only played well for the last 4 games? Really? Deary me.



I think you've given away the real reason behind your posts though. You were obviously one of those who wrote him off and you're simply not man enough to admit you might have been wrong. Poor show.

My favourite bit was 'halfbacks are supposed to assist tries'. So he's doing what he's supposed to do, and doing it to a higher standard than most others, then? The idea that four good games have propelled him to the top of the assists chart is too stupid for words.

Ad hominem again!

You can't address the argument, so you attack the arguer.

My premises stand:

There's nothing that Horne's done this year that can't be done comfortably by another capable halfback given the promise that the rest of the squad has. He has had the majority of a mediocre season thus far, with only peak in form for the previous few games, performing at the standard we should demand of our halfback to play at every week. This peak does not justify the other mediocre performances Horne has put in this season so far.

And the conclusion:

We will NOT be making any impact in the playoffs against the top teams if he's in your top 3 and your standards stay the same. More importantly, if Gentle's standards reflect yours.

I'd love to be proven wrong folks, but it seems you're all incapable of showing me instances that show that Horne has performed at this level for the majority of the year.

Hint: have a look at the games and see what he's done, or the lack of what he's done.