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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Show me some scientific research that proves luck exists'"
Show me some that proves it doesn't - you're the one making the claim.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Show me some that proves it doesn't - you're the one making the claim.'"
I'm countering a post from your buddy that says sean long's injuries are down to luck. Luck doesn't exist, I don't need to prove it, but if it did then I doubt there'd be any casinos or bookies still in business and there'd be people who were multiple lottery winners.
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| Quote ="Kosh"You've never come across the concept of randomness? The Universe isn't anywhere near as orderly as you seem to think.
Oh - and luck doesn't require belief. It's just a name given to the positive or negative outcomes of events beyond concious control.'"
Are you a quantum physicist as well now
I think you're getting luck mixed up with chance
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'm countering a post from your buddy that says sean long's injuries are down to luck. Luck doesn't exist, I don't need to prove it, but if it did then I doubt there'd be any casinos or bookies still in business and there'd be people who were multiple lottery winners.'"
Luck has little or nothing to do with winning stuff at casinos or with bookies because these aren't random events. All you've proven so far is that you don't know what luck is. And I've even explained it in my earlier posts.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Are you a quantum physicist as well now
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It's not my particular specialism but I've studied it.
Quote ="Jake the Peg"I think you're getting luck mixed up with chance'"
That's because they're the same thing. Or rather one is what humans tend to call the outcomes of the other.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg""Kosh" wrote
It's not entirely true, causality and luck are not mutually exclusive. You are correct everything happens for a reason, and every action has a consequence...however the beneficiary of a consequence is not necessarily any part of its cause and therefore can be counted as 'lucky' (or unlucky of course)
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| Quote ="Kosh"Luck has little or nothing to do with winning stuff at casinos or with bookies because these aren't random events. All you've proven so far is that you don't know what luck is. And I've even explained it in my earlier posts.'"
I don't know what luck is because there is no such thing. Events are not random
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| Quote ="RugbyVillasBoy"It's not entirely true, causality and luck are not mutually exclusive. You are correct everything happens for a reason, and every action has a consequence...however the beneficiary of a consequence is not necessarily any part of its cause and therefore can be counted as 'lucky' (or unlucky of course)'"
But that beneficiary puts themselves in the position to be beneficiary by choice somewhere along the line. Things do happen which may be out of a person's control at a given point in time but the concept of luck is laughable
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg""RugbyVillasBoy" wrote
Well, not really because that is the whole concept of luck - it's not a concept which says there is no reason for a set of events to occur, it's the concept that an unlikely event occurs outside of ones control. To be lucky does not indicate some magic occurred which defies the laws of physics. For example I once found a tenner on the floor as I was walking down the street - yes I had decided to walk down the street and yes there was some reason that the note was there (another persons actions and some complicated formula of the motions due to the wind/weather etc), but ive walked down lots of streets in my life, lots of people have lost money before, but only once have events conspired for me to have found the money on that occasion.
I understand where you are coming from but it depends on how you define the concept of luck. It is not a mystical force which makes things happen at random junctures - I agree with causality and that nothing happens without a preceding event, but 'luck' is simply a matter of probability where the improbable happens, and although is technically possible it is highly unlikely.
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| We will be lucky if this doesnt get locked for going OT
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| Time for bed me thinks. Going right over my head!!
But is Longy lucky or not?
Surely cant be, or his bets would always pay out!!
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg" the concept of luck is laughable'"
Eh? What on earth were you thinking here, then?
Quote ="Jake the Peg"[uInjuries are down to bad luck[/u, poor recruitment decisions and players (horne) getting to the stage in their career when they can't shake off the knocks like they used to.'"
Quote ="Jake the Peg" [uBroken bones are generally bad luck[/u but poor technique due to fatigue can be a factor'"
Quote ="Jake the Peg"I know we've had injuries to younger players too and [usome bad luck with broken bones[/u'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"
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| Quote ="Kosh"You've never come across the concept of randomness? The Universe isn't anywhere near as orderly as you seem to think.
Oh - and luck doesn't require belief. It's just a name given to the positive or negative outcomes of events beyond concious control.'"
That does not have to mean ‘luck’ or randomness exists.
It may be seen as luck and randomness, simply because it is way beyond man’s inability to understand and/or explain.
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| Quote ="RugbyVillasBoy"icon_biggrin.gif sometimes cause and effect can come back to bite you!'"
Or just bad luck.
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| Quote ="RugbyVillasBoy"It's not entirely true, causality and luck are not mutually exclusive. You are correct everything happens for a reason, and every action has a consequence...however the beneficiary of a consequence is not necessarily any part of its cause and therefore can be counted as 'lucky' (or unlucky of course)'"
There then must be at least two actions for there to be a beneficiary.
You might not be able to control action 'a' but you may be able to predict action 'a'
You can control action 'b', so then the consequence for the beneficiary would be different.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Eh? What on earth were you thinking here, then?
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| Quote ="RugbyVillasBoy"Well, not really because that is the whole concept of luck - it's not a concept which says there is no reason for a set of events to occur, it's the concept that an unlikely event occurs outside of ones control. To be lucky does not indicate some magic occurred which defies the laws of physics. For example I once found a tenner on the floor as I was walking down the street - yes I had decided to walk down the street and yes there was some reason that the note was there (another persons actions and some complicated formula of the motions due to the wind/weather etc), but ive walked down lots of streets in my life, lots of people have lost money before, but only once have events conspired for me to have found the money on that occasion.
I understand where you are coming from but it depends on how you define the concept of luck. It is not a mystical force which makes things happen at random junctures - I agree with causality and that nothing happens without a preceding event, but 'luck' is simply a matter of probability where the improbable happens, and although is technically possible it is highly unlikely.'"
What you're describing is purely an unlikely event happening. No matter how unlikely the event, if you are put in the scenario enough times then it will happen. it's probability, not luck. If it is probable that something may happen, no matter how low that probability is, then how can it possibly be luck when it does? it's just a possible outcome happening
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| Quote ="Isaiah"That does not have to mean ‘luck’ or randomness exists.
It may be seen as luck and randomness, simply because it is way beyond man’s inability to understand and/or explain.'"
Indeed, but I think kosh is struggling to understand. Unusual for a former quantum physicist
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Indeed, but I think kosh is struggling to understand. Unusual for a former quantum physicist'"
I'm not the one struggling to understand stuff.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not the one struggling to understand stuff.
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Let's all be friends today.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"There then must be at least two actions for there to be a beneficiary.
You might not be able to control action 'a' but you may be able to predict action 'a'
You can control action 'b', so then the consequence for the beneficiary would be different.'"
It's quite a simple concept. Every decision we make, either consciously or subconsciously has a number of potential outcomes. Sometimes a small number which is easy for people to understand, or possibly a near infinite number, which is a more difficult thing to get your head around.
The fact is that if you do something which has even a tiny chance of happening (say 1 in a billion), then it may still happen and no matter how improbable that outcome is then when it happens it has nothing to do with luck, but is merely an improbable event occuring
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