I'm not bitter, I don't give a flying one what Wakefield do or don't do, you won yesterday, well done, you're now on 0 points. Neither side played well, we were the worst I have ever seen, you were also poor, just nowhere near as bad.

(and FWIW one of your disallowed try's was fine, the referee just didn't see the grounding)

Why is telling the truth seen as bitterness, bewildering.

Of course you aren't.

You were thumped at home by a side that you thought you would walk over.


Dry your eyes. It's a lovely day out. Get over the loss and look forward to your next match.



I'm not a Wakey supporter by the way.

so you didn't see the game, did you even listen?

we got thumped by inept coaching and a very poor performance, Wakey would not have beaten a well drilled NL1 side.

and I think you'll find I spent a lot of yesterday warning people about taking Wakefield for granted, if you could be bothered to look beyond the end of your nose.

There there now

you're funny, really, I bet you have people laughing all the time.

Your side were beaten by a side that not many people really thought would trouble you.

You are understandably a little bit peeved by the fact.

Stop crying about what happened. It's only a game.

Sure, you have a terrible coach. But he will get the sack one day.

Give Wakefield a bit more credit for the fact they thumped you and move on.


You have got Harlequins next week. That should be an easy 2 points for you at least.

I would like to bet the players will not make errors picking they wages up and I would say they will not drop they wage packets ..If I had put in a shift like that I wouldn't look to blame anybody else ..If the players don't want to play for Agar they should have played for us fans who pay they wages

I think you need to stop taking yourself so seriously, and everyone else so literally. We were beaten by the better of two very poor sides. What irks most Hull fans is that Wakey have every excuse to be poor this season given their off the field problems. The suggestion that we lost deliberately wasn't intended to be taken seriously, but some of the passes that were dropped looked so bad that they could have been deliberate.

Indeed. Some of the players need to take a "long" hard look at themselves.

Spot on.

I'd bin that particular freeoader at the next opportunity, was never a good signing.

very very very close look at themselves, at least 8 of them fell into the term "shocking" last night just shockin

Only 8, would be easier to just state the ones who were 'OK' Imho that would be Manu, Houghton....struggling a bit now

I'm not his biggest fan but Hame ran in with a bit of enthusiasm last night.

How would you know and why are you bothered? Were you a neutral at the match or something? I actually agree we were beaten by a better side, but Wakey weren't good. They were better than us which really just shows how pitifully shocking we were, but at least I witnessed this with my own eyes so know enough to say that you are exaggerating Wakefield's performance just a tad.

Nosey boy.

That made me LOL...quality

thanks for that, I was ploughing a lonely furrow for a while there, two awful sides, one incredibly more awful than the other.

And if you worked your ar[is[/ie off in every shift, only to know that your line-manager is still and always will be a tos[is[/ier, who hasn't got the first inkling of how to get the best from his crew. How long would it take before you thought "why do I bother?" and just toss it off like your boss?

I was saying similar last night, the staff liking their boss is rarely a good sign in my experience, having a "healthy respect" for their boss is a different matter!

Once again a neutral comes on here and tells us how we should feel about our team. I have news for him and any other "neutral", not one self respecting Hull FC fan expected us to walk it last night. Most of us have been supporting the club for long enough to know that despite the apparent riches in playing personel we are totally incapable of "walking" a game. Least of all against Wakey who as the record books show have turned us over on more than one occassion since SL was born.

Add in the mix John Kear who will have been bigging up his players all week to beat his old team and the BOD who sacked him. That plus King and Lee with points to prove and bingo we go down to defeat. Kear is more than capable of raising a team for the odd game history has shown that. What he is incapable of doing is getting teams up for it regularly and consistantly.

Which brings us back to Agar and Hull's players. They seem to rise for the odd game (Wigan last week and Sts for a game and a half last season). It happens so infrequently though that I suspect its the players who get themselves up as opposed to a coach who thinks his job is on the line everytime HIS team cross the line.

As Codhead has stated its down to the boss. In my line of work my top bosses (equated to the BOD at Hull FC are a set of self pubicising shisters) I don't work for them. My two line managers though are top blokes and I will put my all in for them. I see very few players doing that for Agar at the moment and I suspect given his thoughts last night he is seeing what I am seeing now.

I do not think they would deliberately throw a game though. That said some of the apparent knock ons if they had been committed by Pakistani Cricketers......... well I leave it to you to decide what I am trying to say.

And if you were the line manager of a workforce who couldn't perform the basic requirements of the job, like catching a ball and holding on to it, or putting it down properly when they get over the try line,and then you as the line manager got the blame, you may also feel little aggrieved if everyone was calling for your head.

We should have scored at least three trys before half-time last night, we didn't because the 'crew' didn't do the basics.

For the record I think Agar should go, I'm just not sure it's all his fault.

I have said, on a number of previous occasions, Agar as a head coach at a Superleague club is one step too far for him, I said the same about John Kear and I have not seen anything to persuade me other wise. The Board promoted Kear, as the promoted Agar and recruited Peter Sharp. That indicates to me that the Board are extremely poor pickers of men, no organisation can be so consistently unlucky. This, what appears to have been poor selection, cannot be down to incompetence, their recruitment has been deliberate and only they know the reasons.

What they must now realise is that the Golden Tit, that has been the fan & sponsor base of Hull FC, is not an everlasting fount. If they refuse to accept that their lifeblood is starting to dry up and the cause for that is purely and simply down to their methods of recruitment and management, then they are not fit for purpose.

In many ways I feel sympathy for Agar, just as I did for Kear. They were both promoted beyond their capabilities. Both men should accept that their greatest contribution to the game is as an assistant coach. Both men are exemplary technical coaches. In my not very humble opinion, Agar should accept that fact and request to be relieved of any management duties.

Possibly the most reasonable and sensible post on this entire thread.

Did you actually read what he said? If so, do you have difficulty in comprehension?



There is no doubt that the players are far from being incapable of performing the basic tasks, they have each, individually and as a team proved, time after time, that they are more than capable of performing not only the basic tasks but far more complex tasks.

Before querying the players, any decent line-manager would be looking inward and asking himself why. "What more could I do to ensure they perform those tasks consistently?"

I sure did.





None whatsoever.

But thanks for caring.