It’s a competition; let teams compete on level terms and by the rules. All this pseudo wrestling tripe’s becoming tedious for the fans.
If you listen to referees during games they’ve become some sort of on-field coach; constantly giving out instructions, this must affect their performance.

None of the Hull fans I travelled back with mentioned it, they said they were showed how to play rugby by a better side bet they will now Agar has. That's fickle!!!

Warrington V Wigan, best game of the season so far arguably, both teams wrestling well, not boring at all and no complaints from the Warrington fans.

You had 8 tries scored against you is that why you're whinging? Get over it.

You going to sign Vince McMahon?

[i - Can we try and keep it civil please, Neil. [/i

Grow up, sore loser. Thank God most Hull fans aren't like you, you're an embarrassment to the decent ones I live and work with.

Oh, I am not a sore loser, Wigan where, by far, a better side, but the slowing the game makes it awful to watch, I dont want to see that in SL, no rugby fans do.

And that's my fault is it? Again if you read my post I said look at the Warrington and Wigan game where both teams do it well, not at all boring. But if you choose to ignore that and start dishing out insults, that just about shows the level of your intelligence.

Insults?

Yes, see the edit from your admin, no need.

Nail on the head..

Neil is just being kind, he probably thinks you're a "typical Wigan RLFans poster" too. (by the way, that means ROBINSON)

I think you need the Sack Agar thread bud

I should pay more attention ! sorry wrong thread!

Lol, never had any problems with your lot bud, been living here going on 7 years, I probably watch more Hull FC home games in a season than Wigan games.

Seriously whether the RFL decide to crack down on wrestling or not is their call but the fact is, as of now it goes on and some teams are clearly better at it than others. We were atrocious at controlling the ruck early on in the season, were penalised for it rightly so, and I was the first to complain about it but I think we've improved. It seems that Hull players know in theory what they need to do in the tackle but haven't mastered it in practice. The referees have total control over how long they allow for each tackle and teams need to learn to use this to their advantage. I personally think the refs allow too long but by playing to the ref teams cannot be accused of cheating, the Melbourne situation was a farce in the WCC but that was down to the ref not down to the players.

Most players will lay on at the start of matches and test how long they can lay one for................. its always gone on that and creeping up on the ten metres testing the ref. He gives either a warning or a penalty then everyone knows the tolerances and usually abide by them. Trouble is now its an art from with wrestling coaches employed by clubs to improve the length of time they can keep opposition players on the deck.

Some teams are really good at it and have been for some time, Huddesfield for example are masters at it. To a lessor degree so are London its part of the game now and some refs pick up on it others do not, the majority seem to be the latter of late.

Now if the refs are allowing it then we have to get wiser and get a coach in to teach them the same tricks, as it appears most teams do now do it to some extent or other.

For the record I do not like it and I think it should be an area that is tightened up, but its not going to happen now is it, because Cummings is going to back up his refs 100%.

The teams that are breaking the law are all trained by AUSSIE coaches

Wrestling is for WWW Raw not rugby league

Yup, but dont talk about that, Wigan fans are happy to win at all costs, see the cheating of the 80's for evidence.

They're not breaking the law, they're playing to the ref. Hull were trying to do the same but the mistake they were making was trying to turn the attacking player onto their backs when he had already found the floor on his front.

Maybe you need to get yourself an Aussie coach or a coach who has been trained in Australia, at least until the RFL decides to crack down on it.



I'd pretty much agree with all of that although I'd say the key to good wrestling technique is not how long you can keep a player on the deck but how long you can keep a player off the deck.

Well said. Too much room for interpretation now. There's a set of laws just stick to them. Would have thought that would be easier for the refs than not.

Because the teams that a wrestling well now are playing to the refs, if the refs cut the amount of time allowed in a tackle these teams would adjust to it without any problems. FWIW I think they should

Perhaps all this moral high ground is a bit rich from someone whose supporters booed every tackle we made just to pressurise the ref.

I am no more responsible for some of my fans doing that than you are of some of the idiots who give your club a bad (unfair might I add) reputation, fact.

And besides. fans do that at every ground in the country mate, the Southstanders at Leeds are probably the worst for it but they aren't employed by the club so good luck to em, referees should be professional enough not to listen. I shout at my own players when they're messing around at the play the ball, I absolutely hate it. Agar is a coach and should know better its bad enough in football with manager's either saying things to refs at halftime or criticising them in the press, players aren't allowed to do it so its hardly setting a good example or creating the right mentality for the players. Daniel Anderson, Ian Millward, Justin Morgan, Brian Mclennan etc have showed in the past that moaning about refs gets you nowhere, Agar should learn from it.

I for one do not want a Aussie coach I want to see a English coach.. To coach English players to kick the ar-es of the Aussies

If an English coach can do that then thats all well and good mate, the majority of fans want the same.