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| Quote ="Cory69"Edited for accuracy.'"
Unfair Agar is not the best but have you seen the post above this
A player needs a cuddle
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
Where would we all be if our parents and employers didnt back us up when we had hard times?? his family and employers right now are pretty much the same thing and all trying to get the lad buzzing again, his pre season confidence has all but gone and so has then his performances... not saying a cheer will make him a better player but surrely you understand what I mean that he feels the pressure we all hyped onto his shoulders and he simply isnt that brilliant but tries to live up to the International attacking centre label many gave him when he , the club and everyone around him knows he isnt ...
he is just young and inexperienced and trying not to disappoint anyone but in trying too hard he is flagging and the spiral downwards speeds up..
To be old and wise first you have to be young and daft!'"
Hall's a lot of things, but he is no longer inexperienced imo. I agree with some of what you say, but my original point about him growing a pair and maning up still stands.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"why attack me ? I am just trying to balance the views here with reality not star trek comments sorry if I have offended you'"
Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
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At 21 he is the same age or older than Burnett, Briscoe, Turner, Houghton, Nicklas, Mcshane yet all those seem to be doing ok considering they are YOUNG in sl terms. I do not buy that argument at all, everyone in reality is a confidence player meaning they improve when things go there way. The difference is they dont become as shocking bad as CH when things are not going there way they just knuckle down and get on with the job.
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| send him out on loan for a month,considering we don't play this week anyway.cullen will take him,and do the same ''confidence'' job on him as last year-sorted!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="hullbg"At 21 he is the same age or older than Burnett, Briscoe, Turner, Houghton, Nicklas, Mcshane yet all those seem to be doing ok considering they are YOUNG in sl terms. I do not buy that argument at all, everyone in reality is a confidence player meaning they improve when things go there way. The difference is they dont become as shocking bad as CH when things are not going there way they just knuckle down and get on with the job.'"
Players progress at different speeds , CH is just a little slower to develop.
Dont be so keen to discard all our young talents.. or the coach
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| when hally is in form,he's great.when he's out of form he's awful.the coaching staff,have to take some sort of responsibility.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Players progress at different speeds , CH is just a little slower to develop.
Dont be so keen to discard all our young talents.. or the coach'"
The players i would stand behind, Hall i would loan out for the rest of the season because the way we are playing he wont have much to do in the way of attack and a stint at one of the lower sides would give him ample time to work on his defence. Plus i also feel with a decent coaching team he will improve, he probably will never be a great player but i am willing to give all our players the benefit of the doubt as they are working within a poor coaching setup and like most things in life when something is poor at the top it gradually filters down and infects those under it.
The coach, i have given him longer than he deserves he now has his own team and still fails to produce the goods. No matter which way i look at it i see a poor coach from every angle.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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YOUR JUST MISS READING MY INTENTIONS AND MAKING 10 OUT OF 3 PLUS 3
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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sorry had caps on by accident
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| Quote ="hullbg"The players i would stand behind, Hall i would loan out for the rest of the season because the way we are playing he wont have much to do in the way of attack and a stint at one of the lower sides would give him ample time to work on his defence. Plus[u i also feel with a decent coaching team he [/u[uwill improve, [/uhe probably will never be a great player but i am willing to give all our players the benefit of the doubt as [uthey are working within a [/u[upoor coaching setup [/uand like most things in life when something is poor at the top it gradually filters down and infects those under it.
The coach, i have given him longer than he deserves he now has his own team and still fails to produce the goods. No matter which way i look at it i see a poor coach from every angle.'"
-i know it was a level lower,but look what happened last year.out of form,sent to widnes,has a fantastic month there.comes back,and looked a totally different player for the rest of the season.most people,at the start of this season,were shouting for hally to be in the team,alongside yeamo,claiming they could be a top pairing.now what????????????
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| I have always defended Hall but he really needs to start learning from his mistakes, how long can he continue to be excused? I would hate to give up on him but he really needs to start showing signs of maturity otherwise he may become one of those players who never fulfilled his potential.
I don't mind mistakes, but good players learn from them.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I have always defended Hall but he really needs to start learning from his mistakes, how long can he continue to be excused? I would hate to give up on him but he really needs to start showing signs of maturity otherwise he may become one of those players who never fulfilled his potential.
I don't mind mistakes, but good players learn from them.'"
He will learn Paul, the problem is that at the level he is playing at right now any mistakes look huge, made worse by the fact that if you listen to many on here he is the only one who makes mistakes if you see my point .
I keep saying it but he is a confidence player, and is having a bad time at present but so is all the squad apart from one or two ...
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| Quote ="EXPRO"He will learn Paul, the problem is that at the level he is playing at right now any mistakes look huge, made worse by the fact that if you listen to many on here he is the only one who makes mistakes if you see my point .
I keep saying it but he is a confidence player, and is having a bad time at present but so is all the squad apart from one or two ...'"
He is definately not the only one making mistakes and I agree about him being a confidence player. He just needs to stop making the same mistakes, natural ability and talent does not always equal being a top player. Some players never realise their potential, I hope Hall is not one of those.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He is definately not the only one making mistakes and I agree about him being a confidence player. He just needs to stop making the same mistakes, natural ability and talent does not always equal being a top player. Some players never realise their potential, I hope Hall is not one of those.'"
A good coach,would polish the rough edges off.
Defensive technique is coachable, natural attacking flair cant be coached.
Wish we could get Brian Smith.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He is definately not the only one making mistakes and I agree about him being a confidence player. He just needs to stop making the same mistakes, natural ability and talent does not always equal being a top player. Some players never realise their potential, I hope Hall is not one of those.'"
All players have a special quality about them at something in the game plan, we need to get Craig utilising his special qualities to the full more and cover his flaws a little better till he develops, and anyone can see that the lad has something gifted in his style with ball in hand , however being played out of position due to injuries and defending continously as we have recently does not help that..
Think back to matches when in the correct position and he looked world class, just not enough of them , Yeaman is an international and still makes the same mistakes Hall does week in week out but has a better technique when he connects thats all, hall will never be a smasher in the tackle as he is not built like Keith Tindall but he does have some special qualities we should never forget that !!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"
Think back to matches when in the correct position and he looked world class, '"
Half my morning cuppa just came out of my nose. You are Craig Hall. Give me my fiver.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"All players have a special quality about them at something in the game plan, we need to get Craig utilising his special qualities to the full more and cover his flaws a little better till he develops, and anyone can see that the lad has something gifted in his style with ball in hand , however being played out of position due to injuries and defending continously as we have recently does not help that..
Think back to matches when in the correct position and he looked world class, just not enough of them , Yeaman is an international and still makes the same mistakes Hall does week in week out but has a better technique when he connects thats all, hall will never be a smasher in the tackle as he is not built like Keith Tindall but he does have some special qualities we should never forget that !!'"
How long did we keep covering for his flaws though? He has not developed at all in the last year or two. He still misses tackles and still loses concentration both when reading plays in defence and also when we are attacking. He also makes poor decisions with ball in hand. I agree he has huge potential but he needs to start stepping up to the plate, he is a confidence player but that he needs to be able to make his own confidence, he can't just keep putting his head down everytime he makes an error.
He is up there with a few other players as good young centres, the question is can he go on and become a top player, personally I am not sure he is strong enough mentally although he does need an extended run at centre to help him.
I can't agree on the world class part though, he has looked a classy player with ball in hand at times but never world class.
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| Shame Reece Lyne isnt fit I would have played him this week on the wing and put Whiting at centre.
Would be tempted to give Tuffour a game next game, might as well see what he can do at SL level.
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| Agar can't have any confidence in tuffours ability, doubt he'll get another deal.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"
I can't agree on the world class part though, he has looked a classy player with ball in hand at times but never world class.'"
agreed , miss use of a statement on my part, I should have said classy! not world class, was tired and it was late sorry.
But he does have something special when he gets a head of steam up doesnt he?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Agar can't have any confidence in tuffours ability, doubt he'll get another deal.'"
What makes you say that ?
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| Bacause we have no wingers and he still cant get a game.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"agreed , miss use of a statement on my part, I should have said classy! not world class, was tired and it was late sorry.
But he does have something special when he gets a head of steam up doesnt he?'"
He does but we just need to see it more often. Agar has to back him more but Craig has to take the opportunities when they come his way.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Bacause we have no wingers and he still cant get a game.'"
Maybe he felt a bit burned after the playing Reece against Salford and that backfiring. If Agar feels Reece is more ready than Dennis and Reece's debut showed up some frailties then maybe that is making less likely to try Dennis?
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