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| Quote ="Kosh"His technique is all over the place, but his positioning does a lot of the worst damage. He gets a lot of flack for flapping and that's often because he gets in the wrong position to make the tackle and can't actually reach. Plus he goes high too often for someone of his build and just gets bounced off.
He'll never be a star defender, but you would think that with some effort he could stop being a poor one. In fact I've seen him defend far better than he has been doing in most games this season, which makes it all the more frustrating when he gets into the kind of rut he is at present.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm increasingly thinking that it won't happen here.'"
You'd think the 'coach' would've/could've improved his poor technique and timing.
My main gripe is very similar to yours and probably most fans that watch him in action: He doesn't seem to learn by his mistakes, in fact his mistakes seem to be more spectacular by the game.
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| Quote ="Kosh"His technique is all over the place, but his positioning does a lot of the worst damage. He gets a lot of flack for flapping and that's often because he gets in the wrong position to make the tackle and can't actually reach. Plus he goes high too often for someone of his build and just gets bounced off.
He'll never be a star defender, but you would think that with some effort he could stop being a poor one. In fact I've seen him defend far better than he has been doing in most games this season, which makes it all the more frustrating when he gets into the kind of rut he is at present.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm increasingly thinking that it won't happen here.'"
Like I noted a while back on this thread, he is a confidence player and he is suffering.
some good old cheering in his direction will make al the difference, hes still young
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Like I noted a while back on this thread, he is a confidence player and he is suffering.
some good old cheering in his direction will make al the difference, hes still young'"
So if we all give him a clap evrything will be ok?
How about Craig Hall actually grows a pair and develops a bit of mental toughness.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"So if we all give him a clap evrything will be ok?
How about Craig Hall actually grows a pair and develops a bit of mental toughness.'"
everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, to be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is!
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop.'"
So it takes skill to be run over every week? Now ive heard it all.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, to be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is!
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.'"
I don’t condone the personnel abuse some players have to suffer, but they should expect some criticism from fans when they are playing poorly.
I accept and appreciate that CH is a better RL player then I was and is still a young player, but to suggest that if he is simply clapped and cheered by fans then his performances will improve is ludicrous, and suggests, that despite his skill level, he may not have the mental edge to succeed as an RL player.
Again, I don’t condone personnel abuse, but some of the players you name as been treated as scapegoats last season only had themselves to blame because of their continued poor attitudes and general off the field tom foolery. Even the club must have realised there was something in it as they have now banned all players from a certain watering hole.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, [uto be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is! [/u
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.'"
What a load of b0llox
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What a load of b0llox
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| Quote ="EXPRO"oh dear , you just wont listen'"
Listen to who exactly some random sat behind a keyboard!!!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Listen to who exactly Agar sat behind a keyboard!!!'"
Edited for accuracy.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"I don’t condone the personnel abuse some players have to suffer, but they should expect some criticism from fans when they are playing poorly.
I accept and appreciate that CH is a better RL player then I was and is still a young player, but to suggest that if he is simply clapped and cheered by fans then his performances will improve is ludicrous, and suggests, that despite his skill level, he may not have the mental edge to succeed as an RL player.
Again, I don’t condone personnel abuse, but some of the players you name as been treated as scapegoats last season only had themselves to blame because of their continued poor attitudes and general off the field tom foolery. Even the club must have realised there was something in it as they have now banned all players from a certain watering hole.'"
I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
Where would we all be if our parents and employers didnt back us up when we had hard times?? his family and employers right now are pretty much the same thing and all trying to get the lad buzzing again, his pre season confidence has all but gone and so has then his performances... not saying a cheer will make him a better player but surrely you understand what I mean that he feels the pressure we all hyped onto his shoulders and he simply isnt that brilliant but tries to live up to the International attacking centre label many gave him when he , the club and everyone around him knows he isnt ...
he is just young and inexperienced and trying not to disappoint anyone but in trying too hard he is flagging and the spiral downwards speeds up..
To be old and wise first you have to be young and daft!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Listen to who exactly some random sat behind a keyboard!!!'"
why attack me ? I am just trying to balance the views here with reality not star trek comments sorry if I have offended you
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| Quote ="Cory69"Edited for accuracy.'"
Unfair Agar is not the best but have you seen the post above this
A player needs a cuddle
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
Where would we all be if our parents and employers didnt back us up when we had hard times?? his family and employers right now are pretty much the same thing and all trying to get the lad buzzing again, his pre season confidence has all but gone and so has then his performances... not saying a cheer will make him a better player but surrely you understand what I mean that he feels the pressure we all hyped onto his shoulders and he simply isnt that brilliant but tries to live up to the International attacking centre label many gave him when he , the club and everyone around him knows he isnt ...
he is just young and inexperienced and trying not to disappoint anyone but in trying too hard he is flagging and the spiral downwards speeds up..
To be old and wise first you have to be young and daft!'"
Hall's a lot of things, but he is no longer inexperienced imo. I agree with some of what you say, but my original point about him growing a pair and maning up still stands.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"why attack me ? I am just trying to balance the views here with reality not star trek comments sorry if I have offended you'"
Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
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At 21 he is the same age or older than Burnett, Briscoe, Turner, Houghton, Nicklas, Mcshane yet all those seem to be doing ok considering they are YOUNG in sl terms. I do not buy that argument at all, everyone in reality is a confidence player meaning they improve when things go there way. The difference is they dont become as shocking bad as CH when things are not going there way they just knuckle down and get on with the job.
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| send him out on loan for a month,considering we don't play this week anyway.cullen will take him,and do the same ''confidence'' job on him as last year-sorted!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="hullbg"At 21 he is the same age or older than Burnett, Briscoe, Turner, Houghton, Nicklas, Mcshane yet all those seem to be doing ok considering they are YOUNG in sl terms. I do not buy that argument at all, everyone in reality is a confidence player meaning they improve when things go there way. The difference is they dont become as shocking bad as CH when things are not going there way they just knuckle down and get on with the job.'"
Players progress at different speeds , CH is just a little slower to develop.
Dont be so keen to discard all our young talents.. or the coach
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| when hally is in form,he's great.when he's out of form he's awful.the coaching staff,have to take some sort of responsibility.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Players progress at different speeds , CH is just a little slower to develop.
Dont be so keen to discard all our young talents.. or the coach'"
The players i would stand behind, Hall i would loan out for the rest of the season because the way we are playing he wont have much to do in the way of attack and a stint at one of the lower sides would give him ample time to work on his defence. Plus i also feel with a decent coaching team he will improve, he probably will never be a great player but i am willing to give all our players the benefit of the doubt as they are working within a poor coaching setup and like most things in life when something is poor at the top it gradually filters down and infects those under it.
The coach, i have given him longer than he deserves he now has his own team and still fails to produce the goods. No matter which way i look at it i see a poor coach from every angle.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Not attacking you, nor have you offended me, I am just pointing out I believe your posts are b0llox, a player needs a cuddle wtf is that about, that is after you have posted how tough & hard a player is to be run over by Senior
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| Quote ="hullbg"The players i would stand behind, Hall i would loan out for the rest of the season because the way we are playing he wont have much to do in the way of attack and a stint at one of the lower sides would give him ample time to work on his defence. Plus[u i also feel with a decent coaching team he [/u[uwill improve, [/uhe probably will never be a great player but i am willing to give all our players the benefit of the doubt as [uthey are working within a [/u[upoor coaching setup [/uand like most things in life when something is poor at the top it gradually filters down and infects those under it.
The coach, i have given him longer than he deserves he now has his own team and still fails to produce the goods. No matter which way i look at it i see a poor coach from every angle.'"
-i know it was a level lower,but look what happened last year.out of form,sent to widnes,has a fantastic month there.comes back,and looked a totally different player for the rest of the season.most people,at the start of this season,were shouting for hally to be in the team,alongside yeamo,claiming they could be a top pairing.now what????????????
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| I have always defended Hall but he really needs to start learning from his mistakes, how long can he continue to be excused? I would hate to give up on him but he really needs to start showing signs of maturity otherwise he may become one of those players who never fulfilled his potential.
I don't mind mistakes, but good players learn from them.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I have always defended Hall but he really needs to start learning from his mistakes, how long can he continue to be excused? I would hate to give up on him but he really needs to start showing signs of maturity otherwise he may become one of those players who never fulfilled his potential.
I don't mind mistakes, but good players learn from them.'"
He will learn Paul, the problem is that at the level he is playing at right now any mistakes look huge, made worse by the fact that if you listen to many on here he is the only one who makes mistakes if you see my point .
I keep saying it but he is a confidence player, and is having a bad time at present but so is all the squad apart from one or two ...
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