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| Quote ="Dave K."To be a bit more positive, two very good wins this weekend for both the 16's and 19's.
The 19's have finished 3rd and have been on great form which a big part played from the Hull players (despite what Rovers fans keep saying there have all the best players).
16's beat Wigan away and would have beat Saints as well a couple of weeks ago(was winning easily until they had a man sent off).'"
I was at the 16's game at Wigan. Wigan were probably the better team but Hull were much bigger and that told in the end as Hull scored two tries in the last four minutes to win the game. What I don't know is the age of the Hull team, but Wigan were an U15 side not U16's. |
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| Quote ="DGM"Sometimes perception isn't quite the reality.
There's no doubt that Powell is incredibly good at taking players in and improving them by moulding them to fit into his game plan seamlessly.
However, their record for bringing through youngsters isn't special under Powell. Milner & Holmes maybe, although both are 25ish and knocking around the 17 when Powell arrived. Maher? Other than that, a few youngsters have got a game here & there. I'd say a youngster has more change of game time under Radford than Powell based on the past few years.
If Hull are "awash" with overseas players, then I'm not sure what adjective to use for Cas' overseas contingent: Roberts, Moors, Hitchcox, Springer, Larroyer, Webster, Millington, Sene-Lefao, Monaghan. Hull have 7, fyi. Of course, not all count a Non-Fed, but this is a debate about youngsters & the blocking of their path to the first team.
Then look through the rest of the Cas team. Cook, McMeeken, McShane, Minikin, Hardaker, Gale, Eden - all brought in.
I'm not trying to criticise Powell or Cas, but I refute the statements that youngsters will have a better chance under Powell, and the assertion Hull have more overseas players.'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I was at the 16's game at Wigan. Wigan were probably the better team but Hull were much bigger and that told in the end as Hull scored two tries in the last four minutes to win the game. What I don't know is the age of the Hull team, but Wigan were an U15 side not U16's.'"
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"RBA knows about these things for sure, I bet that's true!
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| Quote ="Dave K."
It is a concern, but there is nothing to stop the signing for the COHA when they are 16 or either team when they are 18.'"
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| For those that watch COHA and the reserves, hows Cameron Scott gone for you? Probably went under the radar in our recent meltdown, but he was one of a a fair few crown jewels in our academy. Was one of the most sought after 16 year olds that we managed to keep hold of...before obvious events  Has all the attributes to be a special player so interesting to see how he develops with you  |
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Neither Hull or Rovers can afford or are prepared to fund their own competitive junior set up. The RFL pay 50% of the costs of COHA whilst Hudge and Pearson personally split the the other 50% equally between them. It comes direct from their pockets, not the Clubs coffers.
It is actually a very well funded and resourced set up, though at the minute I think the players are seen very much as guinea pigs.
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Does anyone know the detail as to how this funding "offer" from RL actually works ??
1) How many levels of the Rugby League is it open to ?
2) Do all clubs in the same tier get the same total cash amount ? (discounting Rovers relegation to a lower tier which may leave them in an advantageous position versus other Championship clubs)
3) As with Hull / Rovers, have all other SL clubs had to find a partner before they get their 50% of total costs ?
4) If pairing is not the norm why was this arrangement the requirement for these 2 particular clubs ?
5) If the 50% rule is the norm for all I suppose it means the more you invest in your Academy, then of course the greater the RL funding, could mean huge funding bias between the haves and the have not clubs.
6) Is it true the 50% funding to our clubs was only on condition that the 2 clubs merged their academies ?
7) Was the process and end decisions transparent ? ie were were SL clubs involved in creating the "system" ? or was it a fait acomplis agreed by the RL hierarchy alone. ?
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Neither Hull or Rovers can afford or are prepared to fund their own competitive junior set up. The RFL pay 50% of the costs of COHA whilst Hudge and Pearson personally split the the other 50% equally between them. It comes direct from their pockets, not the Clubs coffers.
It is actually a very well funded and resourced set up, though at the minute I think the players are seen very much as guinea pigs.
For those who want to see an end to the merger, I suggest they get used to it because I believe contracts have been exchanged with the RFL to extend the partnership till the end of 2022 at the earliest.
Perhaps Hull just need to be smarter and stop Rovers signing the best players!
With regards the latest crop of Scholars. I believe that COH have now been back into the community game and made some more offers to different kids. Whilst these lads may be unfancied currently, and the best players have gone to Cas, it doesn't mean follow that they will still be the best at 16/19/23. Let's hope these new lads make the most of their opportunity and we are watching them in our first teams in years to come.'"
Just like all the other 'INVESTMENTS' that AP has made with regards to the club, they are that, an investment in his business, he will get back that money (And some) one way or the other or do you think he is a benefactor owner that throws a shed load of his own personal money at the club?
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Can only be a good thing recruiting from other areas, the Welsh under 16's recently beat England under 16's aswell.
The twins look massive, for 16 years old to be as big as Radders and Ellis, lets hope they have the attitude and skill to go with their size.
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Any idea if these Welsh lads are all relocating to Hull? Would imagine so but it's a big upheaval at their age to play academy rugby.
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| Quote "The lads will go up and train with their clubs on a regular basis, get more experience and get coaching with players of a good standard and will bring it back to their community clubs. Travel has been an issue in the past but now I hear that plans are in place for them to travel, train and adapt. I don’t see travel being an issue, they’re good enough and I think they’ll progress.
“When they get to the end of under 16, a decision will be made of whether to go into the 19s and then they could move to the north of England.”'"
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| Quote ="ccs"... from the article above.'"
Fair enough! Thanks for that.
Shame there isn't a decent level rugby league team down here in Cardiff, there's obviously some talent around here that is under-used in a rugby league context. When you look at all the quality rugby union players from South Wales, there'd be surely a decent amount who would fancy playing rugby league at Championship/Super League level if there was a team in Cardiff.
The Celtic Crusaders thing was badly managed and located in completely the wrong place. Would love the RFL and Cardiff Council to get behind a Welsh team properly! |
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Have the Welsh twins signed for Hull
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| Quote ="Cardiff_05"Fair enough! Thanks for that.
Shame there isn't a decent level rugby league team down here in Cardiff, there's obviously some talent around here that is under-used in a rugby league context. When you look at all the quality rugby union players from South Wales, there'd be surely a decent amount who would fancy playing rugby league at Championship/Super League level if there was a team in Cardiff.
The Celtic Crusaders thing was badly managed and located in completely the wrong place. Would love the RFL and Cardiff Council to get behind a Welsh team properly!'" Celtic Crusaders failed purely for off-field reasons, in the two years they were doing youth development they brought through four SL quality players in Ben Flower, Gil Dudson, Lloyd White and Elliot Kear plus a number of others who are still playing at lower levels. If they hadn't had ownership problems there would likely be dozens of Welsh juniors in SL at this point. Ironically Wales RL is actually a lot stronger now than it was then with Wales beating England at U16s level last week and Welsh schools doing well in the RL Champion Schools tournament, including one from Cardiff that has dominated the competition for the past 3 years at its age group. |
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Despite being told Rovers have all the best academy prospects at COHA, Hull FC ring fenced player Jack Brown wins player and players player award.
Not sure if many know much about him, but this kid is one hell of a prospect, potential to go all the way and one to keep an eye on
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| Quote ="Dave K."Despite being told Rovers have all the best academy prospects at COHA, Hull FC ring fenced player Jack Brown wins player and players player award.
Not sure if many know much about him, but this kid is one hell of a prospect, potential to go all the way and one to keep an eye on'"
Your a sucker for punishment dave, your forms not the best on identifying potential , "players that will go all the way" probably best just seeing how the lad goes , rather then making crazy statements that will make you look stupid again |
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Your a sucker for punishment dave, your forms not the best on identifying potential , "players that will go all the way" probably best just seeing how the lad goes , rather then making crazy statements that will make you look stupid again'"
Apologies for being positive, to be honest I know you are the brightest, but what is the crazy statement I have made? |
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| Quote ="Dave K."Apologies for being positive, to be honest I know you are the brightest, but what is the crazy statement I have made?'"
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Thank you
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Some strong Welsh names in there! Gonna be all sorts of pronunciation problems!
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Looks at the moment that the arrangement is working well for Rovers !
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Lets have a game next year in Saigon, Ill check some of these out personally
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Some strong Welsh names in there! Gonna be all sorts of pronunciation problems!
Love the potential of the Badham Brothers though!'"
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Has all the attributes to be a special player so interesting to see how he develops with you 
Are the minutes of the RFL "Academy agreement" and or the relative terms for each club or tier available to view online ?
