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| Quote ="Kosh"Senior and Ryan Hall are possibly Leeds most potent attacking weapons. They would have been used heavily regardless of who we had playing at right centre. The fact that Craig Hall was outclassed isn't an indicator that he's being targeted - it's an indicator of his poor form.'"
To add to that also Senior has made many top centres in SL look average previously.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Senior and Ryan Hall are possibly Leeds most potent attacking weapons. They would have been used heavily regardless of who we had playing at right centre. The fact that Craig Hall was outclassed isn't an indicator that he's being targeted - it's an indicator of his poor form.'"
You maybe right, it just appears that way right now.
I still think we should use Whiting in the centre or even Turner as they both have better defensive games..As poor as Halls form is if Calders or Lynne are not available I would put him on the wing as his speed is an asset and hopefully he can work on improving his game.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I have commented about Horney on the Horney thread
, he was poor.
I thought Yeamo tried in defence overall in the game, not his best game admittedly but if you are suggesting he was as poor as Hall then you are talking pants..'"
I did'nt say yeamo was poor i said he just walked around him like he was'nt there but i bet thats halls fault as well,,
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"To add to that also Senior has made many top centres in SL look average previously.'"
Yeamo would handle Senior like he did Side Show Bob the other week..
I am a big fan of defence in centres.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"I did'nt say yeamo was poor i said he just walked around him like he was'nt there but i bet thats halls fault as well,,'"
Are you Craigs Dad or what
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Yeamo would handle Senior like he did Side Show Bob the other week..
I am a big fan of defence in centres.'"
Hall played outside of Yeamo vs side show bob and made as many good tackles on him as Yeamo did.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hall played outside of Yeamo vs side show bob and made as many good tackles on him as Yeamo did.
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2nd man in though
Maybe that is what Craig needs, to be outside a player like Yeamo, I will be honest with you and say Hall will never make a top centre due to his defence however I would definitely consider developing him as a winger his speed is his asset.
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| Of course i'm not,,,But my family are very much in SL
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"2nd man in though
Maybe that is what Craig needs, to be outside a player like Yeamo, I will be honest with you and say Hall will never make a top centre due to his defence however I would definitely consider developing him as a winger his speed is his asset.'"
2 or 3 times Hall was first man into him and pulled the tackle off well. He's done that a fair bit lately. His main issue is his mental approach to positioning defensively. Whiting is still at fault for some tries though and even then Hall gets the blame.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"Of course i'm not,,,[u:7ntc9kfjBut my family are very much in SL[[/u
Oh we do have something in common then
Doesn't make opinions right or wrong though bud...
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"2 or 3 times Hall was first man into him and pulled the tackle off well. He's done that a fair bit lately. His main issue is his mental approach to positioning defensively. Whiting is still at fault for some tries though and even then Hall gets the blame.'"
I agree Whiting has on occasions being at fault, the difference between the players is when they commit to the tackle Whiting more often than not completes were as Hall has started more often than not to fail. His technique seems wrong to me.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"2 or 3 times Hall was first man into him and pulled the tackle off well. He's done that a fair bit lately. '"
Has he? Must have been in training, was it?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I agree Whiting has on occasions being at fault, the difference between the players is when they commit to the tackle Whiting more often than not completes were as Hall has started more often than not to fail. =#0000FFHis technique seems wrong to me.'"
His technique is all over the place, but his positioning does a lot of the worst damage. He gets a lot of flack for flapping and that's often because he gets in the wrong position to make the tackle and can't actually reach. Plus he goes high too often for someone of his build and just gets bounced off.
He'll never be a star defender, but you would think that with some effort he could stop being a poor one. In fact I've seen him defend far better than he has been doing in most games this season, which makes it all the more frustrating when he gets into the kind of rut he is at present.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm increasingly thinking that it won't happen here.
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| Quote ="Kosh"His technique is all over the place, but his positioning does a lot of the worst damage. He gets a lot of flack for flapping and that's often because he gets in the wrong position to make the tackle and can't actually reach. Plus he goes high too often for someone of his build and just gets bounced off.
He'll never be a star defender, but you would think that with some effort he could stop being a poor one. In fact I've seen him defend far better than he has been doing in most games this season, which makes it all the more frustrating when he gets into the kind of rut he is at present.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm increasingly thinking that it won't happen here.'"
You'd think the 'coach' would've/could've improved his poor technique and timing.
My main gripe is very similar to yours and probably most fans that watch him in action: He doesn't seem to learn by his mistakes, in fact his mistakes seem to be more spectacular by the game.
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| Quote ="Kosh"His technique is all over the place, but his positioning does a lot of the worst damage. He gets a lot of flack for flapping and that's often because he gets in the wrong position to make the tackle and can't actually reach. Plus he goes high too often for someone of his build and just gets bounced off.
He'll never be a star defender, but you would think that with some effort he could stop being a poor one. In fact I've seen him defend far better than he has been doing in most games this season, which makes it all the more frustrating when he gets into the kind of rut he is at present.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm increasingly thinking that it won't happen here.'"
Like I noted a while back on this thread, he is a confidence player and he is suffering.
some good old cheering in his direction will make al the difference, hes still young
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Like I noted a while back on this thread, he is a confidence player and he is suffering.
some good old cheering in his direction will make al the difference, hes still young'"
So if we all give him a clap evrything will be ok?
How about Craig Hall actually grows a pair and develops a bit of mental toughness.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"So if we all give him a clap evrything will be ok?
How about Craig Hall actually grows a pair and develops a bit of mental toughness.'"
everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, to be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is!
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop.'"
So it takes skill to be run over every week? Now ive heard it all.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, to be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is!
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.'"
I don’t condone the personnel abuse some players have to suffer, but they should expect some criticism from fans when they are playing poorly.
I accept and appreciate that CH is a better RL player then I was and is still a young player, but to suggest that if he is simply clapped and cheered by fans then his performances will improve is ludicrous, and suggests, that despite his skill level, he may not have the mental edge to succeed as an RL player.
Again, I don’t condone personnel abuse, but some of the players you name as been treated as scapegoats last season only had themselves to blame because of their continued poor attitudes and general off the field tom foolery. Even the club must have realised there was something in it as they have now banned all players from a certain watering hole.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"everyone develops differently in life and especially in rugby terms, [uto be playing at this level having the likes of Senior and Solomona running over him week in week out shows he has a toughness and skill none of the posters on here possess full stop. however he is as i have said a young fella where things are not going to plan at present due to a confidence issue and thats all it is! [/u
The club recognise that , the players recognise that and the fans should also, I have to say this : anyone who pulls on a black and white jersey is a better player than any of us and as such we should support them (even through the hard times) till the club decide otherwise.
Maybe i am a loner in this but I thought the treatment by the fans at times of Lee, Horne, Hall, King and last years scapegoat was at times disgraceful.'"
What a load of b0llox
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What a load of b0llox
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oh dear , you just wont listen
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| Quote ="EXPRO"oh dear , you just wont listen'"
Listen to who exactly some random sat behind a keyboard!!!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Listen to who exactly Agar sat behind a keyboard!!!'"
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| Quote ="chico's nose"I don’t condone the personnel abuse some players have to suffer, but they should expect some criticism from fans when they are playing poorly.
I accept and appreciate that CH is a better RL player then I was and is still a young player, but to suggest that if he is simply clapped and cheered by fans then his performances will improve is ludicrous, and suggests, that despite his skill level, he may not have the mental edge to succeed as an RL player.
Again, I don’t condone personnel abuse, but some of the players you name as been treated as scapegoats last season only had themselves to blame because of their continued poor attitudes and general off the field tom foolery. Even the club must have realised there was something in it as they have now banned all players from a certain watering hole.'"
I agree with much you say , however back to CH, he is a confidence player hence why the team cuddle him every time he makes a mistake.. come on he is very young in SL terms and has obvious issues with his defence but he will get better and he will learn.
Where would we all be if our parents and employers didnt back us up when we had hard times?? his family and employers right now are pretty much the same thing and all trying to get the lad buzzing again, his pre season confidence has all but gone and so has then his performances... not saying a cheer will make him a better player but surrely you understand what I mean that he feels the pressure we all hyped onto his shoulders and he simply isnt that brilliant but tries to live up to the International attacking centre label many gave him when he , the club and everyone around him knows he isnt ...
he is just young and inexperienced and trying not to disappoint anyone but in trying too hard he is flagging and the spiral downwards speeds up..
To be old and wise first you have to be young and daft!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Listen to who exactly some random sat behind a keyboard!!!'"
why attack me ? I am just trying to balance the views here with reality not star trek comments sorry if I have offended you
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