exactly, which is why people should avoid giving the club any cash this next month

there is no reason to be giving the club anything as we have no home games, all the away games you'd get in on the turnstyle so don't let them get their 10% commission and boycott the merchandise.

without a home game its the only way we can be heard, cos as you say all they'll do is look at the financial figures and think we're prepared to put up with crap.

What 3 things would you like to see the club "do"? They can't bring in any more quality players as we are there or thereabouts on the salary cap assuming Crocker and Lauaki get their visas. We currently have 9 players unavailable. They've negotiated a release with Byrne to free up a bit of money, but the rest are either stuck in the Home Office's admin department or injured. I'd like to see a list of things you want the club to do, because at the moment all people are doing is complaining but not presenting viable courses of action.

Bit late for that now....im a pass holder,have got the shirts and rain jackets and i dont drink the pi$$ that they call beer...so im buggerd aint i,

sack the unqualified coach who was here during the unsuccessful Sharp era and would have been involved in coaching that poor side as well, he should never have been given the job in the first place.

they can do nothing with regard the players, due to contracts, but any decent coach would get a lot more out of our current side.

no coach in the history of RL could get this team of average no hopers to win the grand final, but a better coach would be getting better results.

they need to get out there and offer good money to a top class coach, who in turn would sort the squad for 2010 out.

So just do what a lot of us have been saying for a while then?

exactly

I don't think they realised just what a state the club was in when they sacked Sharp, it was then that they needed to clear out all the coaching team and hire a quality coach. Who would have spent the rest of 2008 sorting the team out ready for this season...instead we've delayed everything by a whole year and the fans simply aren't going to wait another 12months to see progress.

What gets me is that Sharp got sacked for the same as what Agar is doing and Sharp had a bigger injury list to contend with.

why wont they talk?

Hutchie may be the one to ask as he took over the reins i think.

Because the I stands for independant.

I suppose Agar hasn't had the time to change the squad that Sharp had though.

both are as guilty as each other, it was those 2 that took a side that finished runner up and needed only a few quality additions to 2nd bottom.

personally i think the style of play is about the same, but Agar is even worse with his tactics and selections than Sharp was...and Sharp seemed have control of the dressing room.

he said "any more" so i guess they once did

HISA had the temerity to say something unflattering about the club to the media.

Huge overreaction by the club IMO. Mind you, it was probably just a convenient excuse to do something they had been planning to do anyway.

They got away with it because people just aren't interested in organisations like HISA until the sh[ii[/it hits the fan.

In 1999 when they were needed.

But he has not changed the style of play either - the reason sharpe got sacked was he had one stlye of play - which is the style agar also plays.

I cannot believe how disorganised our side looks in both attack and defence.

I bet our coaching setup ( people not eqpt or facilities) are the cheapest in SL and if they are not something is seariously wrong.

The coaching side of any sporting club (football, rugby cycling) is the most important area of the playing side - we saw that with Brian Smith - I dont know if we where forward thinking or we just got lucky, but this is the first area that you sort out.

paying good money for good coaching staff save's you money in the long run - by improving the players you have. and spending money in the areas you need.

We as supporters have fallen into the club owners hands by following like lemmings of the cliffe to buy season tickets - we should be sayings we are not buying season tickets anymore but if you improve on the playing front we will pay at the gate

So, what do people want the club to do? No room on the cap to bring in better players this season, assuming Crocker and Lauaki get their visas.

we do not need better players we need a top coach who can the decide on players

Sack Agar ...

Fair enough, you want Agar sacking. A couple of days ago people were wanting Matterson. Cas are losing by 32 points at half time today. The next coach needs to be a considered, long term appointment. Sack Agar now and we just get Sharp. What's the point?

We do need better players, BTW. Going into a season with no recognised right centre was beyond stupid.

if you look at all my previous posts ( not that many really) I would say most over the last 3 years or so have been about getting a world class coach - he can the decide what we need on the playing front etc

Just how the hell do you get to full cap, when you have a squad full of academy lads coming through. There were jokes about Rovers having half the squad on £100,000 plus but the ones quoted are now worth it (Walker excused). Berrigan apart, who in the hell is worth 6 figures in your squad? And if they are getting paid it, they aint earning it and the board have seriously overpaid on some.

Are they that comfortable on the contracts they have?

Raynor, Tony, Manu, Crocker, Lauaki, Yeaman, Thackray, King all internationals at some point. Cusack will be on a fair wedge as well - was captain at Rabbitohs AFAIK. Berro and Crocker will be on well in excess of £100k I'd imagine.

there is not a lot we can do this season everything is pretty much sewn up with contracts.
one thing for sure is we need to rebuild starting with the half backs,i know horney has already signed for several years but we can move him to fullback.
we at hull have wanted decent halfbacks for years now but our board can,t see it probably along with a few speccies, horney not a creative halfback, good individual player.
we can forget top eight playing like this, what we need to do is rebuild get rid of the average players and we have 8 of them.

The same point as sacking Sharp and appointing Agar or maybe sacking Kear and putting Agar in temporary charge. Shows that the club aren't willing to accept the poop that is currently going on there.

As for no right centre, doesn't seem to have effected Saints too much (not replaced Talau) or Leeds (only Senior is a recognised first team centre)

I completely agree with all that. People on here are saying they're withdrawing their support unless the board "do something". My point is that options for immediate action are very limited. If we sack Agar, there aren't better alternatives available right now.