You said in the opening paragraph..."this is my plan"

that, to me, sounds a lot like claiming it was your plan.

it doesnt really matter that much does it, it would have been much easier to simply read the post as a point of view other than a rallying point for an argument!!
simples

Griffin was set up and every clear thinking person in the UK can see it, I'm totally opposed to any racism however thursday nights programme was embarrassing. There was no reasoned debate, even when the conservative was shown to be anti gay marriage Dimbleby quickly changed the subject back to "Let's slate Nick Griffin" and totally ignored the prejudiced remark made by her. I'll never vote BNP but staged verbal assaults like that one on thursday night are a joke and may turn some people in favour of Griffin and his party.

Questioning levels of immigration doesn't mean someone is a racist. Although there is a lot of misinformation about, particularly regarding the claiming of benefits. It's now extremely difficult to get into the UK if you don't have the skills required to find work, and you are not automatically entitled to benefits if you can't find it either. Some of this misinformation comes from the confusion between immigrants and asylum seekers - two completely different issues requiring different policies.

However...

Many people who claim to be immigration realists are, in fact, plain racists. They blame foreigners, especially those with dark skins, for all the ills afflicting our society without even considering that many 'ethnic British' layabouts and scumbags have been causing problems for years. This is classic racism of the kind that the Nazi party tapped into to fuel Hitler's rise to power, and Griffin is attempting to channel the same ignorant fury for similar purposes.

I do blame the mainstream parties for shying away from a proper, reasoned debate on immigration policy and for failing to counter the tide of misinformation and outright lies that fuel discontent. I also blame the media, or at least certain sections of it, for propagating this misinformation and exaggerating the problem simply to increase ratings and sell copy.

Maybe the rise in popularity of the BNP will finally shake our mainstream politicians out of their complacency and make them realise that there are issues that can't just be dodged - they have to be properly debated.

Bur what IS "ethnic British" ?

We're a nation of mongrels, surely?

There is serious problem in head-counting.

One of the last acts of the previous conservative government was to stop counting the number of Europeans leaving the UK. This mickey-mouse bunch then stopped counting the numbers of non-Europeans leaving the UK.

So basically, we have absolutely no idea who or how many are here.

If one had a hat on, one would take it off...

I agree, which is why I put the phrase in quote marks. It's something that the BNP and their sympatisers like to bandy about, but it's actually a meaningless phrase.

Griffin actually referred to it as the people who were here 17,000 years ago at one point.

Madness, isn't it? Especially as with the computerisation of border controls there is absolutely no reason why it can't be done relatively easily.

Especially given the current administration's prosensity for control. Surely accurate figures would do much to quash the misinformation perpetuated in certain media?

I know! Human population in Britain can only be traced back continuously back 11000 years - the end of the Ice Age. Before that it was the neanderthals evolving to the first homo sapiens.




Oh hang on..

brilliant

What got my goat is the one question, the ONE question that was relevant on the night ie immigration was bombed by the current Government.
Labour have been in for 12 years and yet Jack Straw couldnt or wouldnt relay any fears about the number of people coming in to the country.
I agree with people coming in with skills we need, but when Straw talks about no cap on the population I despair.
Is this country a balloon we can inflate when we need to find more room?
Its not racist to say no more room because eventually there wont be.

You racist !!!!!

If you bothered to venture outside, you'd see there's acres of space to fit people in.

Come out of the closet, admit what you are FFS

The population density is even less in France.

FFS !!!













Some people !!!

Your right. Here goes........ Im a normal person.

Hang on, you support Rovers for starters

You facist.

Nope. I have red breasted Ornithophobia. A perfectly normal condition

And Cod'ead has 27473 posts, of which 27470 have knack all to do with rugby league. What do you call that?

Is it the same condition as 2413 posts, 2400 of which are about Hull FC? That'll be Reluctant Utilitarianism

Course there is...That's why in the next 10 years we'll need 3 cities the size of Birmingham to be built. FACT
France is how many times the size of our country with a third of settled immigrants( that are known).
You really are in a corner of England that we all wish we lived in. Muppet!

Typing 'FACT' kinda blows any argument you may have, 'ill-informed conjecture' would've been more accurate.

The corner of England that I currently live in, has more than its share of knuckle-draggers, we certainly have no need to import more like you thanks.