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| I'm sure the loss of westerman off the cap has already been accounted for with our signings
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| Quote ="Lang Park"You make a good argument and I'm inclined to agree with you.
Unfortunately it's not selling Westerman that people deride AP for. It's the duplicity of coming out with the "over my dead body" tour statements when he knows full well he plans to sell.'"
This is exactly right.
The irony is, I think most fans could probably see the thinking behind accepting a fee for Westerman.
But it's Adam's obsession with pass sales - and the cold, calculated PR which comes with protecting them - which are damaging him more than the decisions themselves!
It was hard to not feel some sympathy for Motu Tony last week. I wouldn't have wanted that Hull Daily Mail interview to carry my name.
..."just rumours"...no approaches"..."committed to extending Joe's contract."
Just days later a deal was done. Are fans honestly meant to think these deals just happen?
Motu doesn't deserve to become a Comical Ali figure to Adam's Saddam.
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| I personally aren't bothered about Westerman, he is too inconsistent and how long do we have to wait for him to become this star player, apart from once at Cats away I can't remember a great try he scored or assist. He works hards and has decent defence, although can be sloppy at times, but we have players like Washy, Whiting and even Hadley that can do that role, but much cheaper.
I will be annoyed with the club though, they did it with Lineham and looks like it with Westerman, they need to stop lying or at least not putting out these press statements saying players are staying etc.
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| Perhaps saying the player is staying increases the fee to be paid as he is seen as an asset.
I don't think AP is as stupid as many people on here like to make out.
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| He's definatly gone / going .
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| At least when Crooks, Schoey, Jackson, Dannatt and Vaikona were sold the club said "we are skint and these need to be sold"
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| Lineham and westerman , I think it's more to do with there attitude etc , what radford wants
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| Quote ="FC-Steward"Lineham and westerman , I think it's more to do with there attitude etc , what radford wants'"
I agree, and this is something Radford has got right, it has needed doing for years.
Happy to see him released personally, he is never going to be the player it was thought he could be.
What are the outstanding facets of his game? He takes it to the line and links play well but I can't think of anything else he is particularly good at. He lacks any real power or mobility. He certainly works hard albeit with a few crucial defensive errors.
But for probably half the price, Danny Washbrook can work hard, and if he is dropped he won't throw his toys out of the pram and ring up his agent telling him to get him a new club ![Shocked icon_eek.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_eek.gif) (ref: Leeds away).
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Seems fairly certain that we're happy to cash in on any saleable british talent we have, trouser the cash and use the salary cap to bring in overseas players. I'd expect this to continue whilst pearson owns the club and we remain a team fighting for 8th place each year. He's clearly bitten off more than he can chew with the club and completely misread the situation and the clubs' fans. The best case scenario in the short term is he can get a wealthy fan on board to at least prop us up, worst case is we continue to sell our best players and end up playing championship rugby in an empty stadium.'"
God you make us sound like Rovers ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Linehams a bigger loss than Westerman imo
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"God you make us sound like Rovers
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They only generally sell one per season
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| don't want to see him go but if that's the case so be it, nobody on here knows what goes on behind closed doors and maybe there is a good reason for him to leave if that is the case
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| Like others have said, he's definitely going and this has come from someone I know who spoke to Lineham over the last couple of days.
Warrington bound.
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| So many on here apparently watch games with their eyes closed. Or filters for certain players.
Lineham and Westy in one season, eh? What was that about not being a selling club again, Adam?
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| Quote ="Kosh"So many on here apparently watch games with their eyes closed. Or filters for certain players.
Lineham and Westy in one season, eh? What was that about not being a selling club again, Adam?'"
They're both rubbish and we're just clearing out the deadwood.
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| Well, almost a week after Westerman shook hands on a deal with Warrington, Adam has seemingly still managed to keep news of the signing embargoed.
Is it simply because he wants a few more desperate hours of being able to flog memberships on a "no squad is stronger" ticket whilst flicking V's with the fans?
Or does he need more time to work out how he is going to explain this one away, given the vehemence of his and Motu's recent denials and rebuttals?
Perhaps he will announce the signing of Tom Biggs once again to cushion the blow?
How and when he breaks the news will not alter the (ever growing) perception that Adam Pearson says one thing in public, yet does another in private!
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| Quote ="JMR"Well, almost a week after Westerman shook hands on a deal with Warrington, Adam has seemingly still managed to keep news of the signing embargoed.
Is it simply because he wants a few more desperate hours of being able to flog memberships on a "no squad is stronger" ticket whilst flicking V's with the fans?
Or does he need more time to work out how he is going to explain this one away, given the vehemence of his and Motu's recent denials and rebuttals?
Perhaps he will announce the signing of Tom Biggs once again to cushion the blow?
How and when he breaks the news will not alter the (ever growing) perception that Adam Pearson says one thing in public, yet does another in private!'"
Personally don't understand why he needs to behave like this, don't think Westerman been sold for a decent fee, would affect pass sales. The way hes done it, is more likely to
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Personally don't understand why he needs to behave like this, don't think Westerman been sold for a decent fee, would affect pass sales. The way hes done it, is more likely to'"
Don't know, but perhaps it's because, as is said above, hands have been shaken, but signatures have not yet been signed. Just a thought.
I agree by the way, I don't think pass sales would be affected.
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| Quote ="JMR"Well, almost a week after Westerman shook hands on a deal with Warrington, Adam has seemingly still managed to keep news of the signing embargoed.
Is it simply because he wants a few more desperate hours of being able to flog memberships on a "no squad is stronger" ticket whilst flicking V's with the fans?
Or does he need more time to work out how he is going to explain this one away, given the vehemence of his and Motu's recent denials and rebuttals?
Perhaps he will announce the signing of Tom Biggs once again to cushion the blow?
How and when he breaks the news will not alter the (ever growing) perception that Adam Pearson says one thing in public, yet does another in private!'"
You really have it in for Pearson don't you, unfortunately for you, unless a million backer can be found in Hull, he is here to stay.
I actually agree with Pearson and think we have the strongest squad on paper since 2006, even if Westerman is sold.
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| Quote ="Dave K."You really have it in for Pearson don't you, unfortunately for you, unless a million backer can be found in Hull, he is here to stay.
I actually agree with Pearson and think we have the strongest squad on paper since 2006, even if Westerman is sold.'"
As we all know, except AP, the game isnt played on paper.
I agree with the potential sale,from a financial point of view,
to let a player of his calibre,leave on a free, is not good business sense.
AP shouldve never sanctioned the early termination of various players contracts(circa 500k??), I can only think of one owner (Koukash),who has previously gone down this road.
This is one of the reasons why,our financial outlook is looking not so healthy.. -IMO
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| League Weekly say he's off too!
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| Like most players, opinion is split on Westerman. If a player wants to leave or the club no longer want him I don't think it's healthy for either party for him to stay. I would however, expect the club to receive market value for that player, whatever that may be. In this particular case I would expect any fee to be soaked up by the current reported losses the club are making which whilst not ideal is understandable.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Linehams a bigger loss than Westerman imo'"
Agreed.
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| Quote ="JMR"Well, almost a week after Westerman shook hands on a deal with Warrington, Adam has seemingly still managed to keep news of the signing embargoed.
Is it simply because he wants a few more desperate hours of being able to flog memberships on a "no squad is stronger" ticket whilst flicking V's with the fans?
Or does he need more time to work out how he is going to explain this one away, given the vehemence of his and Motu's recent denials and rebuttals?
Perhaps he will announce the signing of Tom Biggs once again to cushion the blow?
How and when he breaks the news will not alter the (ever growing) perception that Adam Pearson says one thing in public, yet does another in private!'"
I very much doubt he is trying to "flick the V's" to the fans. He more than anyone has a financial vested interest in the club. He stands to lose out far more if things do not work out.
As has been pointed out, the stead fast denials which are publicly stated are a way of trying to ramp up the price.
Its a little like a Boards vote of confidence in a manager. How often has that ended in the manager being removed from office?
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"League Weekly say he's off too!'"
Thats because League Weekly uses these forums as its main source of information. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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