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| Is Grix taking the pl$$!? What about every other club?
[iAsked about the no relegation factor and how it's impacting his players, Grix replied: "Maybe that's part of the problem, not having that jeopardy. I know a lot of fans would like it (Super League promotion and relegation) but we all signed up to something different, didn't we? That's really fortunate for us at the moment otherwise we are having those chats about your job being on the line properly."[/i
Granted a few have gone but they should have been having those conversations all season!!!
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| Quote ="Steve0"You were saying...'"
I am despondent about saturday, of course. But my point was misery doesnt progress a club that needs help Of course im unhappy about performances but just moaning is not the answer. Imagine if Grix went in to a big sulk and said do what you want till the end of the season. I am still hopeful about a new coach and signings for next season. Sharing misery which i rarely do is compounding it. its understandable just no use whatsoever
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| Well that was a show
Watching it, from behind my pillow because it was such a horror show. How has AP let it get this bad?
Is it (like some have said) he's just ran out of money?
Is it (like others have said) he's used the no relegation situation to skimp out this year to consolidate the finances? And over the last few seasons, cut back due to the COVID loan?
Or did he really think he was getting quality players?
Whatever or whichever it is, I think it's fair to say most and I mean a large percentage of fans have had enough now.
Let's hope we do have someone coming in to pump some serious money into the club, we need it.
All that being said , well don't to London, deserved the win,.much better than us (as I've said a few times,.we have been by far the worst side in the comp this year). What's worrying more so is, if London played like they did, against any other side in the league, they lost...yet they played us and won!
Hit.Rock.Bottom.
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| Quote ="Dave K."The downfall started in 2018, a bit unfortunate in 2020 where we recruited well, then covid hit, had we got the right coach with that squad we could have turned the corner.
Connor
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Thats not a perfect 17, bench is a bit week, but it's miles ahead of where are and a play off team with the right coach.'"
Apart from Ese-ese I'm struggling to pick who out of our current team would make that 17.
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| Quote ="Offy86"Well that was a poop show
Watching it, from behind my pillow because it was such a horror show. How has AP let it get this bad?
Is it (like some have said) he's just ran out of money?
Is it (like others have said) he's used the no relegation situation to skimp out this year to consolidate the finances? And over the last few seasons, cut back due to the COVID loan?
Or did he really think he was getting quality players?
Whatever or whichever it is, I think it's fair to say most and I mean a large percentage of fans have had enough now.
Let's hope we do have someone coming in to pump some serious money into the club, we need it.
All that being said , well don't to London, deserved the win,.much better than us (as I've said a few times,.we have been by far the worst side in the comp this year). What's worrying more so is, if London played like they did, against any other side in the league, they lost...yet they played us and won!
Quote Hit.Rock.Bottom'" .'"
I think you are being premature. Wait until we play Wigan.
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Apart from Ese-ese I'm struggling to pick who out of our current team would make that 17.'"
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"I think you are being premature. Wait until we play Wigan.'"
Nothing Wigan can do to us, that'll be worse then us being bottom of the league and lost, and lost comfortably by London.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"carlos?'"
Good call. He was at his peak and one of the best centre's in SL at the time and was rightly awarded a long contract. Unfortunately through no fault of his own injuries decimated he career. This is likely to be his last year but he should be remembered as a stand out quality player in his prime.
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| Quote ="Offy86"Nothing Wigan can do to us, that'll be worse then us being bottom of the league and lost, and lost comfortably by London.'"
Not so sure. The record book might need updating at the end of the game. Another game to watch behind the settee that's for certain.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I’m still not convinced you can prevent a lot of injuries. Ruptured muscles and tendons, ligament damage, head knocks, broken fingers and shoulders etc are all very hard to prevent. S and C and fitness can help muscle strength and flexibility, but I do think we’ve just have incredibly bad luck with players and their fitness in recent years - as well as probably signing players with underlying injury issues in Trueman and Walker for example.
It really has been a perfect storm for us.'"
Luck plays a part but you only have to look at HKRs lack of injuries to see it does make a difference when you have competent backroom staff.
Whilst at HKR it was documented that they were working with Walker on certain leg muscle areas which seemed to work as the only matches he missed were for HIA
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Apart from Ese-ese I'm struggling to pick who out of our current team would make that 17.'"
Chamberlain and definitely Briscoe for either Swift or Ratu
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| Quote ="bonaire"Luck plays a part but you only have to look at HKRs lack of injuries to see it does make a difference when you have competent backroom staff.
Whilst at HKR it was documented that they were working with Walker on certain leg muscle areas which seemed to work as the only matches he missed were for HIA'"
Just because things aren’t documented doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You don’t go from being fit with one club one season to getting injured the next season with another team just because they don’t have a comparable physio team. Recovery, maybe, but actual injuries are hard to avoid.
Yes we’re lacking in the back room staff, but I still stand by the fact we’ve been very unlucky with injuries. 16/17 (not to dwell) we didn’t have many significant injuries. Saints across their recent success didn’t have huge amount of injuries.
The bigger issue is the quality of our squad. When we have injuries we don’t have quality to back it up. Top teams do.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Just because things aren’t documented doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You don’t go from being fit with one club one season to getting injured the next season with another team just because they don’t have a comparable physio team. Recovery, maybe, but actual injuries are hard to avoid.
Yes we’re lacking in the back room staff, but I still stand by the fact we’ve been very unlucky with injuries. 16/17 (not to dwell) we didn’t have many significant injuries. Saints across their recent success didn’t have huge amount of injuries.
The bigger issue is the quality of our squad. When we have injuries we don’t have quality to back it up. Top teams do.'"
I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.
What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.
Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.
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| Quote ="Chris71"I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.
What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.
Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.'"
I was talking about injuries and squad depth, but performance mentality use you’re spot on. We’re mentally weak as and have been for a long time. That all comes from the top.
‘Culture’ has been talked about a lot and we’re way off. Asiata will help, as will the other experienced blokes we’re bringing in, but the main driver will be Cartwright. By all accounts he’s a no nonsense bloke and it’s exactly what we’ve been crying out for for decades.
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| Good to see Grix calling out Balmforth again, but nothing negative about Sao.
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| Where has he done that?
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He was commenting on his and Sao’s bans and said he didn’t have any complaints. Said Denive’s effort was lazy, sloppy and frustrated - which isn’t wrong. Said Sao’s was ‘marginal’.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Good to see Grix calling out Balmforth again, but nothing negative about Sao.'"
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"He was commenting on his and Sao’s bans and said he didn’t have any complaints. Said Denive’s effort was lazy, sloppy and frustrated - which isn’t wrong. Said Sao’s was ‘marginal’.'"
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| Quote ="Dave K."Good to see Grix calling out Balmforth again, but nothing negative about Sao.'"
Did he call out Fash when he was binned the other week?
Grix should treat players equally .... imo.
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| Quote ="Chris71"I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.
What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.
Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.'"
IMO.
Mental strength is collectively cultivated during pre-season, the likes of Bellamy & Maguire are renowned for their torturous pre- seasons, this creates determination , teamwork, motivation etc.
We didnt have this type of pre season, because simply, we didnt have the necessary support staff.
hopefully this will now change
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| Quote ="weaver93"Quote ="Chris71"I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.
What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.
Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.'"
IMO.
Mental strength is collectively cultivated during pre-season, the likes of Bellamy & Maguire are renowned for their torturous pre- seasons, this creates determination , teamwork, motivation etc.
We didnt have this type of pre season, because simply, we didnt have the necessary support staff.
hopefully this will now change'"
I agree to an extent but don't think its because we simply didn't have the support staff, think its been a long standing issue even under Radford, then in a laid back weak inexperienced Coach in Hodgson followed by a Coach who seemed to have lost interest and desire and again too laid back.
There has simply being no accountability since the end of 2018 from top to bottom and by the sounds of it, very much sulky attitudes if anyone got told judging by Aydins comments in the HDM today, which just confirms what most of have said for long enough.
It's all been just far too easy and a comfortable environment without consequences or accountability almost as though failure is acceptable. With Cartwright incoming we will hopefully see seismic changes if he is the no nonsense type of guy/Coach he appears & reported to be.
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| I hope cartwright comes in and belts a couple of them. They'd soon fall in line
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I hope cartwright comes in and belts a couple of them. They'd soon fall in line'"
It worked for Brian Clough.
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| they'll all be on social media calling out the toxic working conditions at the club if someone upsets them. No wonder we're in the state we're in. Some of them need to grow a backbone
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