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| Quote ="BarnetFC"Although trying to work out exactly what the logic behind the disciplinary procedures and panel is rather like trying to knit fog... they seem to be undervaluing and underplaying the spear tackle.
On the pitch you now get done for a spear tackle if the legs come over the horizontal, which has resulted in some harsh penalties. But once it gets to the disciplinary procedure we're seeing some horrible ones, like Lunt's get one match or nothing at all. Dave Taylor has been dropping people on their head for weeks and only copped one match.
Similarly, since that Fanny Maguire nonsense with Sneyd last season, any sort of contact around the knees and what have you is massively over punished, resulting in that ridiculous charge for Watts after Wigan. You are meant to tackle low down at the end of the day, but because there's been a couple of high profile injuries they're now punishing perfectly good tackles.
Of course, all of this goes out of the window when somebody gets injured. If Watts had broken his neck on Sunday, which he could easily have done having been deliberately turned upside down and driven into the turf well after the ball had gone, then no doubt Lunt would have got six to eight games, but because he was lucky and didn't get hurt he only gets one. Which is a farce in itself - look at Ellis last season, really bad injury with nobody near him. Shouldn't be in consideration when looking at these things.'"
Been saying it all year, the injury caused should have no bearing on the ban. we had it earlier in the year when Boudebza got pinged for crocking Shenton, the week later Danny Brough did a worse one but fortunately there was no injury caused therefore sending off sufficient. Looking at Lunts it was no better than Ah Vans who got 5(??) because it caused a shoulder injury.
The rules need to be set and applied, Taylor would have been banned most of the season for dropping people on the head multiple times, yet he gets away with it, all this does is make him do it again as has been seen. His technique is terrible but he (or his opponents) have been lucky so far so he doesn't get a ban. The disciplinary panel is becoming a raffle more and more.
We got the rub of the green this week from the panel and I'm grateful for that but it doesn't make it right.
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| Lunt free to play against Catalans after taking early guilty plea. Allgood one match ban.
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| It comes to something when tipping a player up is treated more leniently than touching the ref. I agree the latter needs stamping out before it gets out of hand, but seriously?
Agree with Barham and Barnet about the injury having nothing to do with the punishment too. The Boudebza thing was very harsh and there was (to me) a good example of inconsistency in the game on Sunday. Accidental contact as the player slips and gets injured (Taylor) gets a penalty and on report. Virtually identical incident soon after where Yeamo slipped and was hit, but not injured, nothing.
I can understand why the Taylor one was on report, but shouldn't have been a penalty.
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| Quote ="Chris28"It comes to something when tipping a player up is treated more leniently than touching the ref. I agree the latter needs stamping out before it gets out of hand, but seriously?
Agree with Barham and Barnet about the injury having nothing to do with the punishment too. The Boudebza thing was very harsh and there was (to me) a good example of inconsistency in the game on Sunday. Accidental contact as the player slips and gets injured (Taylor) gets a penalty and on report. Virtually identical incident soon after where Yeamo slipped and was hit, but not injured, nothing.
I can understand why the Taylor one was on report, but shouldn't have been a penalty.'"
Contact with the head is now always a penalty regardless of intent, what tends to happen is if there is an injury the ref has to then do something, if the screen is there he gets another look. I would assume the Yeaman one the ref thought it wasn't contact to the head, can't remember the incident so not sure what happened.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"I think there were two attempts to gauge Shaul.
Thie first is Campese shoving Albert Belly out of the way then reaching at arms length in a swiping downward motion across the face. That's actully the bottom photo here, and is at 18.59 in the Sky footage. Couple of seconds later it is actually Lunt who has the second go. That is Lunt's hand you can see in the top two photos, and you clearly see Shaul flinch backwards and duck downwards as he feels the fingers near his eyes.19.04 on the footage.
Well, we have a right couple of new charmers in the Rovers team this season, don't we? Campese and Lunt - CLunt. Reminds me of that old pantomime villain CLint Newton but this pair are properly nasty.
Funniest moment of the match for me? Campese protesting to the touchie after Naughton's try. It was right in front of us as we were down the side in the corner. He ran after the touchjudge, was ignored, took out his lime green gumshield and threw it on the floor. An actual real live and almost literal dummy spit. He stared at it on the ground and I actually thought he was going to jump up and down on it in a tantrum. Comedy gold, barely 2 minutes after the spiteful scrap.
Petulant type, then.'"
I've seen quotes referencing what a great leader Cramp-easy is and what a great influence he has on the Rovers team. In fact, I think some of those quotes came from Jamie Peacock (who was a truly great on-field leader).
Having watched his petulant, niggly performance this weekend, I think Ellis showed anyone watching what a true leader is. No petulance, no tantrums, no niggle, just focused, direct aggression, leading from the front and taking his team with him. To me, Taylor's influence is sometimes underestimated in this regard, I think he also possesses those qualities, but from a squad perspective the team fed off Ellis' lead and that, alongside the reintroduction of Mini, Taylor and a game changing cameo from Carlos, won us the game.
Campese is clearly a top drawer player, I am genuinely glad to see him back on the field after all of his injury troubles, but I thought he led his team poorly on Sunday.
As for Lunt, simply no class at all. Decent player, no doubt, but I've no time for him whatsoever.
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| Quote ="Mars"I've seen quotes referencing what a great leader Cramp-easy is and what a great influence he has on the Rovers team. In fact, I think some of those quotes came from Jamie Peacock (who was a truly great on-field leader).
Having watched his petulant, niggly performance this weekend, I think Ellis showed anyone watching what a true leader is. No petulance, no tantrums, no niggle, just focused, direct aggression, leading from the front and taking his team with him. To me, Taylor's influence is sometimes underestimated in this regard, I think he also possesses those qualities, but from a squad perspective the team fed off Ellis' lead and that, alongside the reintroduction of Mini, Taylor and a game changing cameo from Carlos, won us the game.
Campese is clearly a top drawer player, I am genuinely glad to see him back on the field after all of his injury troubles, but I thought he led his team poorly on Sunday.
As for Lunt, simply no class at all. Decent player, no doubt, but I've no time for him whatsoever.'"
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| Quote ="Mars"I've seen quotes referencing what a great leader Cramp-easy is and what a great influence he has on the Rovers team. In fact, I think some of those quotes came from Jamie Peacock (who was a truly great on-field leader).
Having watched his petulant, niggly performance this weekend, I think Ellis showed anyone watching what a true leader is. No petulance, no tantrums, no niggle, just focused, direct aggression, leading from the front and taking his team with him. To me, Taylor's influence is sometimes underestimated in this regard, I think he also possesses those qualities, but from a squad perspective the team fed off Ellis' lead and that, alongside the reintroduction of Mini, Taylor and a game changing cameo from Carlos, won us the game.
Campese is clearly a top drawer player, I am genuinely glad to see him back on the field after all of his injury troubles, but I thought he led his team poorly on Sunday.
As for Lunt, simply no class at all. Decent player, no doubt, but I've no time for him whatsoever.'"
Absolutely spot on.
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| What I don't understand is how Lunt`s tip is only deemed grade A when the one by Carney on Bridge is deemed grade B. Defies logic and consistency.
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| Quote ="Mars"I've seen quotes referencing what a great leader Cramp-easy is and what a great influence he has on the Rovers team. In fact, I think some of those quotes came from Jamie Peacock (who was a truly great on-field leader).
Having watched his petulant, niggly performance this weekend, I think Ellis showed anyone watching what a true leader is. No petulance, no tantrums, no niggle, just focused, direct aggression, leading from the front and taking his team with him. To me, Taylor's influence is sometimes underestimated in this regard, I think he also possesses those qualities, but from a squad perspective the team fed off Ellis' lead and that, alongside the reintroduction of Mini, Taylor and a game changing cameo from Carlos, won us the game.
Campese is clearly a top drawer player, I am genuinely glad to see him back on the field after all of his injury troubles, but I thought he led his team poorly on Sunday.
As for Lunt, simply no class at all. Decent player, no doubt, but I've no time for him whatsoever.'"
Great post. In particular I like your comment about Taylor's influence that's gone under the radar. Before he signed for us I knew he was a good player but I underestimated just how good he is on and off the field.
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| Taylor's like a bulldozer. if ellis can stay fit and we finish the season well he must be in with a shout for MOS. Must be well respected by every player at every club in the game. if a grub like hardaker can win it then it would be fitting for a player of ellis' integrity and standing in the game to win it
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On Taylor, something I noticed from watching the game again, after the biff in the first half, he was called out by the ref. He listened to what was said and replied "OK" before heading back to the line and getting on with it.
Contrast that with Blair moaning, like his brother Lionel had lost Give us a Clue, over the same incident and Campo's constant whinging.
Class stuff
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On Taylor, something I noticed from watching the game again, after the biff in the first half, he was called out by the ref. He listened to what was said and replied "OK" before heading back to the line and getting on with it.
Contrast that with Blair moaning, like his brother Lionel had lost Give us a Clue, over the same incident and Campo's constant whinging.
Class stuff
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| To be fair to Campese, sounds like he played the game with some pain in his hamstring. I think I'd probably moan if I'd have been rushed back and playing through an injury. He's out this week because he's 'not being risked'. Ridiculous.
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| Taylor has been brillant easily our best signing. To think some people thought he would be a downgrade on Micky Paea (who was a good player), Taylor is in a different league though.
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| Quote ="Faithful One"To be fair to Campese, sounds like he played the game with some pain in his hamstring. I think I'd probably moan if I'd have been rushed back and playing through an injury. He's out this week because he's 'not being risked'. Ridiculous.'"
Risked against us but not against Catalans, wonder why
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Risked against us but not against Catalans, wonder why
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The daft thing is, any other game and they wouldn't have played him. In a way, I can see why they've done it. If they'd have got the win it could have been a real confidence booster ahead of their last 8 games. It clearly backfired though, and he's now out for this weekend and they lost the game.
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| Quote ="Faithful One"The daft thing is, any other game and they wouldn't have played him. In a way, I can see why they've done it. If they'd have got the win it could have been a real confidence booster ahead of their last 8 games. It clearly backfired though, and he's now out for this weekend and they lost the game.'"
When the most important objective for the season for Rovers is to beat Hull, it's understandable why they'd do it.
I imagine Webster got the call from a pi£4ed up Hudgell the night before, "make sure you play Campese tomorrow James, we've got to beat the Dullers tomorrow, you know how important it us to us all here James".
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"When the most important objective for the season for Rovers is to beat Hull, it's understandable why they'd do it.
I imagine Webster got the call from a pi£4ed up Hudgell the night before, "make sure you play Campese tomorrow James, we've got to beat the Dullers tomorrow, you know how important it us to us all here James".'"
I can understand their desire to beat us, I feel the same animosity towards them.
Just makes me laugh that they've potentially thrown away any chance they had of getting in the 8 by risking one of their best players for a game against us, when an extra week off could have seen him finish the season.
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| sending a squad to catalan that suggests they are writing that game off
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Risked against us but not against Catalans, wonder why
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Always worth a risk in a cup final
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| On the secret forum, a certain poster has suggested there players have a Kitty set up and pay out to whoever gets taylor to "leave the field on a stretcher". This is apparently due to his "vicious premeditated assault" on Minns.
I'll just leave that here. But anyone who fancies a gander, its under the title "cheating thug taylor"
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| Quote ="supersuperfc"On the secret forum, a certain poster has suggested there players have a Kitty set up and pay out to whoever gets taylor to "leave the field on a stretcher". This is apparently due to his "vicious premeditated assault" on Minns.
I'll just leave that here. But anyone who fancies a gander, its under the title "cheating thug taylor"'"
Was it RBA? Said the best we could hope for this year would be pinching 8th spot off Rovers, so similar level of balance.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Was it RBA? Said the best we could hope for this year would be pinching 8th spot off Rovers, so similar level of balance.'"
Just had a look, it appears that the thread has dissapeared, strange that...
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Always worth a risk in a cup final'"
It paid off, they scored in this one and kept us to below 50 points.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"It paid off, they scored in this one and kept us to below 50 points.
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