it does, it means nobody has the rediculous idea that he is worth another season.

you having a laugh if we go into next season with us relying on him then we may aswell give up his body is batterd

If Ellis won't be ready next season, when he'll be 22, then I think he's a poor signing. People learn best in different ways (watching, listening, doing), but he'll likely learn a lot more playing than being mentored (even by a modern great) - IMO.

Give him a little bit of patience and he could really blossom - especially relative to the rest in SL, as the old guard retire and those in their prime look at big money in the NRL.

mild rover...........dont you dare come on here speaking common sense

Long is OOC at the end of this season. No need to get rid, just don't offer him a new contract. Simples.

In the same position as he was before Long got injured, it's the Heremaia deal whcih affects Obst, not signing a halfback.

You're right, he needs to play otherwise don't bother signing him. PLaying reserve grade will do him no good, might aswell have stayed at Leigh.

sory kosh i was talking about next season

Dykes went off injured at home against Hudds. Went off after 10 mins with the injury that was to keep him out of the final

yeh agree thats what im saying really IF a halfback was signed then he would 4th or 5th choice halfback and 3rd choice hooker and woundt get in the 17.

I think Agar said last week he wanted plenty of options in the pivots,just like Hudds,so can't see Obst going anywhere,regardless if Long get's another year,or we sign another half.

6.horne
7.robson/seymour
9.houghton
14.heremia
then ellis, obst, nicklas, turner and williams as back up halves plenty of depth there

Bryan and Jane?

After reading all the pros and cons on this thread,my own personal opinion is Long should call it a day.Nobody is a bigger fan of him than me,he has obviously given his all at Saints,and now his body is paying the price.I put elsewhere,it has been a hugh disappointment to me that it has not worked out for him at Hull.Whatever he does next,nobody can deny in his prime he was class.

If he signs another 2 year deal at Widnes who are interested him it could tarnish his reputation and he will just be known as a guy who didn't know when to hang up his boots.

You are correct,and that would be a sad end to a great player.I truly hope he calls it a day.

and i said 3 months straight after him



he did say minimum tho

We should keep Obst.Look at Hudds now,they have lost Brough for 8 weeks,and Grix is injured,so plenty of cover in the pivots is a must.Lucky for them they have plenty of options,so it won't do us any harm,doing the same.

I think we have little choice but to throw Ellis in at the deep end and start him at 7 next season. IIRC Danny Brough was a similar age when we signed him and Dobson was even younger when he started playing first grade in SL?

carefull now. people on here still refer to young 25 year ols will sharp.

the thing with ellis yes he will be 22 but hasnt played super league apart from 2 games a couple of years ago and to be expected to lead us around might not work out great give him a year where he can back up both halfback spots and get a good feel to where he needs to be at super league level, id be dissapointed if we go into the new season with ellis as starting 7

Pay Long off now. The pay off to be minimal in return for a contract next season with a coaching element in it essentially using him as cover/mentor. Get Ellis in now using the space on the cap created by paying Long off. This season has gone to all intents and purposes and having Ellis in won't make us any worse whether he's ready or not. We may learn something and we may even be pleasantly surprised. Longy says he owes the fans and there were indications from Murdoch on RH that he knows he can't demand big money so if he's being honest maybe he'd go along with it.

salary cap

Let's give him a go.

I'm sick of us signing/developing young players and not playing them.

but to go into next season expecting ellis to be our 7 and lead us around the park could go either way but for me i would be looking at a player like jeff robson whos looking for a move over here with ellis backing up both halfs so any injury or loss of form he comes straight in. ideally it would be great to get ellis now and see if hes ready or not but could be dangerous expecting him to lead this club around the park