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| Quote ="hullbg"But surely we are supposed to sit back and take it because we follow our team in "in any kind of weather" far be it for fans to make observational comments about players or coaches
[uBack in the Boulevard days we never held back in letting a player know they were having a mare[/u.'"
Yes but not all the players families & friends had access to the RLFans forum then
What makes me laugh is the fact that some people appear to carry on with the excuses and surely they see the same as the majority
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hardly getting on though is he?'"
He's old enough for us to make a judgement about whether he's going to make it at this level.
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| BB it amazes me that some people are still backing Agar and are still seeing certain players in a good light, but everyone has an opinion and i respect that. The fact i disagree with their opinion obviously means they are wrong though
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| Quote ="hullbg"BB it amazes me that some people are still backing Agar and are still seeing certain players in a good light, but everyone has an opinion and i respect that. The fact i disagree with their opinion obviously means they are wrong though
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I wonder how many of those who are backing Hall also back Agar. After all, Agar is probably just as young and inexperienced in coaching terms as Hall is as a player.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"What an utterly ridiculous statement. None of the 'head hunters' on here are being paid to play rugby league.
If you went out for a meal and you complained that your steak was burnt, would you expect the waiter to say, "well you couldn't do any better"? If a person is being paid to do a job and they do it poorly, they can expect those who pay their wages to pass comment.'"
Yes i understand what your saying, ok GH has been poor , think the full team need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for our poor performances
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| Quote ="hullbg"BB it amazes me that some people are still backing Agar and are still seeing certain players in a good light, but everyone has an opinion and i respect that. T[uhe fact i disagree with their opinion obviously means they are wrong though [/uicon_wink.gif'"
The mental thing is we would all love Agar to prove us all wrong...not going to happen though and tbf most have realised this now
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| Quote ="Dynamite"Yes i understand what your saying, ok GH has been poor , think the full team need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for our poor performances'"
GH??? Graham Horne has gone and Gary Hethrington is doing alright at Leeds.
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| Quote ="hullbg"GH??? Graham Horne has gone and Gary Hethrington is doing alright at Leeds.'"
Sorry i stand corrected i meant CH
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| Quote ="Dynamite"Sorry i stand corrected i meant CH'"
I know mate i was just being pedantic Gotta try and lighten things up somehow
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| Quote ="hullbg"I know mate i was just being pedantic
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I know you was mate, keep trying to lighten it up too, all the bloody gloom and doom on ere!
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"I wonder how many of those who are backing Hall also back Agar. After all, Agar is probably just as young and inexperienced in coaching terms as Hall is as a player.'"
Interesting observation..They seem to blame Agar for Halls display, that just does not work for me
Who can we credit for Whiting
Agar is getting the selections etc wrong, the players are the ones who are responsibly for their performances.
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| I think we should put this thread to bed now,we all have our opinions and views noted and aired,,the only person who can change craig is craig himself,,personally i just think he's just a bit knocked at the moment and after reading the posts on here i'm not suprised not just hally but the whole team from armchair players and coachs who have probably never got there boots on in their life,,personally i want to see the kid stay he has obvious talents,,I'm getting a bit tired of these blame hally threads there is problems all over the field and off it so lets concentrate on them shall we people and get behind our club
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| I see so many fans calling Hall, but maybe if we look at how he improved when loaned, out maybe we should be calling on our BOARD (ie Kath mainly) to either help her protege (ie son of Alan) and us for God's sake, by giving us a HEAD COACH who actually knows how to do the job. Alan did fine at KR all those years ago, however he's not managed to impart his rugby-brain on to his son -not the coaching side of it anyway.
Richard, now it's down to your team, you got rid of lots; - so any injuries and we're knicking lads off the U20's which in turn depletes the U18's, so please keep to your word - you've failed to satisfy with results (on the field, but the rest of us cash-cows have kept the bank in the black thanks to the efforts of the shop manager and staff) so tell Kath Thanks, but I need help-get me a decent tutor!!!! grannyfan Cindy and cc to Mrs Hetherington
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"I think we should put this thread to bed now,we all have our opinions and views noted and aired,,the only person who can change craig is craig himself,,personally i just think he's just a bit knocked at the moment and after reading the posts on here i'm not suprised not just hally but the whole team from armchair players and coachs who have probably never got there boots on in their life,,personally i want to see the kid stay he has obvious talents,,I'm getting a bit tired of these blame hally threads there is problems all over the field and off it so lets concentrate on them shall we people and get behind our club'"
No one is blaming 'hally' for anything other than his own poor performances. And I've already addressed the whole 'armchair players' nonsense a couple of posts back.
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| Quote ="mrs cindy russell"I see so many fans calling Hall, but maybe if we look at how he improved when loaned, out maybe we should be calling on our BOARD (ie Kath mainly) to either help her protege (ie son of Alan) and us for God's sake, by giving us a HEAD COACH who actually knows how to do the job. Alan did fine at KR all those years ago, however he's not managed to impart his rugby-brain on to his son -not the coaching side of it anyway.
Richard, now it's down to your team, you got rid of lots; - so any injuries and we're knicking lads off the U20's which in turn depletes the U18's, so please keep to your word - you've failed to satisfy with results (on the field, but the rest of us cash-cows have kept the bank in the black thanks to the efforts of the shop manager and staff) so tell Kath Thanks, but I need help-get me a decent tutor!!!! grannyfan Cindy and cc to Mrs Hetherington
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Have you been sniffing bleach?
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"I think we should put this thread to bed now,we all have our opinions and views noted and aired,,the only person who can change craig is craig himself,,personally i just think he's just a bit knocked at the moment and after reading the posts on here i'm not suprised not just hally but the whole team from armchair players and coachs who have probably never got there boots on in their life,,personally i want to see the kid stay he has obvious talents,,I'm getting a bit tired of these blame hally threads there is problems all over the field and off it so lets concentrate on them shall we people and get behind our club'"
Blame Hally threads
Fans are discussing players performance which is what this forum is for, unfortunately due to Halls performance he comes under a lot of scrutiny.
We are not armchair players or coaches, and it is not a case of who has and has not put on a pair of rugby boots in their lives...We happen to be the people who pay the players wages
Other players have and do come under scrutiny, Tansey, Radders, Cusack, Dowes, Berro....However Halls performance on Saturday was dire!!! again!
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| This isnt a discussion anymore its a witch hunt and slagging off thread,I dont see any threads about any other players and how dire they was on saturday,,its a team effort i'm damn sure craig doe'snt go out there to lose games for his TEAM,,
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| He may not go out there to lose games for the team but he is playing a big part in it. I personally have not really had a go at any player because i can see what the players have been like when they first came to the club. Take Tansey as a prime example, came here looking a very good player, started the season well and now looks like a poor excuse for a full back.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"This isnt a discussion anymore its a witch hunt and slagging off thread,I dont see any threads about any other players and how dire they was on saturday,,its a team effort i'm damn sure craig doe'snt go out there to lose games for his TEAM,,'"
It is not a witch-hunt at all, Hally has had many chances to prove himself at this level, I was sat in the stands in Saturday and believe me the team were poor and clueless, but Halls defence was the worst and he cost us tries!!
When we played Leeds he Senior put him in his pocket for the sheer fun of it and Craig started to run around waving his arms, bouncing off players. He is a professional rugby league player who performs in front of thousands of fans (his choice!), if he is unable to deliver the goods he will come in for flack. Other players are missing tackles but it is not in the same league as Hally at the moment.
Oh and he appears not to go out there to win games for his team either.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"However he is old enough to know how to defend and I am sorry but he is a liability and clearly teams are targeting him'"
You keep saying this, but where's the evidence? He's been playing on the right fringe; teams tend to attack predominantly down their left and the opponents right; the right centre and winger invariably see the majority of the traffic. When he played on the left the other week I don't recall more attacks than usual going down that channel.
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| Quote ="Kosh"You keep saying this, but where's the evidence? He's been playing on the right fringe; teams tend to attack predominantly down their left and the opponents right; the right centre and winger invariably see the majority of the traffic. When he played on the left the other week I don't recall more attacks than usual going down that channel.'"
Observation is the evidence, Senior had a field day with him (2 weeks on the bounce), as did Quins on Saturday. I do not for the life of me understand why we have moved Whiting from centre his defence is far superior to Halls. I would have swapped Hall with Whiting as Hall is faster for the wing position any way.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"This isnt a discussion anymore its a witch hunt and slagging off thread,I dont see any threads about any other players and how dire they was on saturday,,its a team effort i'm damn sure craig doe'snt go out there to lose games for his TEAM,,'"
You seem to have more of an interest in this than your average fan. Is Hall a mate of yours? The only reason there seems to be more negativity surrounding Hall than anyone else is because his performances are consistently poorer than anyone else's. These threads don't just crop up by accident or because people dislike the player on a personal level. See the 'Thorman' threads from last year.
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| leeds did target him fair enough but wakefield never and it was his kicking that won it for hull and he solely was'nt at fault for the quins tries, yeamo just let him walk around him and him horne just totally did'nt bother to try and make the tackle,,What do you say about them two guys,,feck all i expect
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Observation is the evidence, Senior had a field day with him (2 weeks on the bounce), as did Quins on Saturday. I do not for the life of me understand why we have moved Whiting from centre his defence is far superior to Halls. I would have swapped Hall with Whiting as Hall is faster for the wing position any way.'"
Senior and Ryan Hall are possibly Leeds most potent attacking weapons. They would have been used heavily regardless of who we had playing at right centre. The fact that Craig Hall was outclassed isn't an indicator that he's being targeted - it's an indicator of his poor form.
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"leeds did target him fair enough but wakefield never and it was his kicking that won it for hull and he solely was'nt at fault for the quins tries, yeamo just let him walk around him and him horne just totally did'nt bother to try and make the tackle,,What do you say about them two guys,,feck all i expect'"
I have commented about Horney on the Horney thread , he was poor.
I thought Yeamo tried in defence overall in the game, not his best game admittedly but if you are suggesting he was as poor as Hall then you are talking pants..
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