To be fair,i.m.o. Longs kicking for conversions has never been in the top ten, but the guy is class all the same.Some of his distribution last night was top drawer.It must have felt a bit strange for him,knowing he was playing against (some) of his future team mates.

I thought Thorman played OK given the fact the team have no gameplan. Some sets of six he didn't even touch the ball. Credit to him for his response following his horror show the week before.

Must admit my heart sank when I saw him run out,but credit where it is due,he did get stuck in.

He was far better than R Horne last night who was absolutely tripe imo.

The crowd don't get on someones back for the hell of it, you could sense them willing him to do well last night. He got a generous round of applause on a few occasions. We slag him off on here when he's had a stinker so it's only fair to praise him when he had a better game and that was the case last night.

Was really pleased with the reaction of the crowd, willing him to do well. Didnt hear a single boo. Hopefully Thorman will kick on from that.

Was noticable last night that he started to defend on the outside shoulder of his man to meet him chest on for the tackle. Vs Leeds he was on the inside shoulder and kept getting swatted off. Obviously worked hard in training.

The most astute post on the thread. Thorman has been dragged through the dirt by the witch hunt posse who year on year like to have a singular scapegoat to flay. He had one awful game against Leeds and all his other game he's been on a par with the most of the other players. He did have a better game than Long last night but of course we've just signed Long so whatever he does it's brilliant. Long will get pasted week in week out if our team plays anything like this season and no doubt most on here will single out R.Horne or someone else as the reason for it, that is until the season after when it will probably be Long's turn to be the scapegoat.

This is just not right. He's been consistently poor for most of the season. Even the most basic elements his position demands have been delivered with a level of ineptitude impossible to carry at this level.

Nail on the head, basic elements like passing, kicking and tackling.

i thought thorman was mom for me, dont know why tickle got it. ok he scored a great try but thought thorman deserved it by far. was twice as good as sean long last night as he played incosistantly for the full 80 mins.

calderwood deserves more praise aswell again this week, he was second choice for mom personnaly.

Long missed more tackles than Thorman last night, whats more, the tackles he missed was on OUR easy to tackle players. Long also kicked significantly worse than Thorman. I'm not a huge fan of Thorman, I just try to have a balanced view. You lot feel free to get your pitchforks out of the cupboards though, it's much easier to follow the mob.

I prefer to make my own mind up by watching the game. Long was involved in most of their tries, Thorman did tackle well last night ive said that elsewhere. Thought Long's kicking game was good, Thormans was better than usual. Your forgetting the one thing that Long far outplayed Thorman with and that was directing his team round the park and calling decent plays not 5 drives and a kick.

Too right. I agree 100%. I posted thread after thread slagging of the signing of Calderwood but his performances have shown my earlier opinion to be wrong. If we was Saints or Leeds I'd not be happy with him on the wing but we're not, and in our team he's one of the top larkers. This said, he should've taken that ball from Whiting!

longs kicking game was terrible last night, dont know what people were seeing if they though otherwise. i know hes better then thorman but he definately didnt show it last night. for me it was wilkin who controlled the game and took over from both long and pryce(who was virtually none exsistant)

yeh that was unfortunate from calderwodd not to take the pass but to be fair i also think it was a bit of a panic pass from whiting he could have easily had a few more strides and gave it to him. it was a good catch from whiting though to even get in that position.

i also dont blame thorman for 5 drives and kick, for me thats the coaching. thorman is simply following the game plan and you cant blame him for that. its down to agar to coach him on set plays and allow him to play expansive. did we play any different last year without him? no. it was exactly the same.

You want Thorman to coach the side? I'm afraid that any scrum half in the top 3 division would have been involved in Saints tries last night and would have seemed to be directing the team around the park. The attacking line of Saints is spread out with each runner selecting the right options with superb timing. In attack, our players almost stand in a scrum, and our first and second receiver often have little or no options at all. Long, or indeed ANY scrum half in our team last night would not have directed the team around well.

The effort was there which is always the minimum we ask for. As for Long, if we are playing the same brand of rugby next year he will be just as ineffectual as Thorman has been.

Correct. We need a massive clear out with this years salary cap on the lazy runners. Sorry non runners.

HE wasn't amazing still a long way off what we want from our SH but he showed a tons mroe ffort and willingness to play. Which obviousley made him look better considering what he has being producing.

i thought long was shiiiiite last nite and thorman did ok nothing spectacular just ok and r.horne had been closed down everytime he had the ball saints knew he would be the dangerman so decided to stop his skill before he had chance to execute it.

Tell me then which scrum half actually created scoring opportunities for his team last night and which one didn't.

oh sorry i forgot we now have to BIG UP longy now as he will be our saviour next season....TOSH...he had a bad game and didnt play as well as he should(and was expected to)have played...he was shiiiiiiite

No he wasn't, he wasn't great but was far from shiiiiite (see Thorman's performance at Leeds and the 2nd half against Warrington, now that was shiiiite). Long did however create/was involved in 2/3 of St's tries last night, nothing to do with bigging him up. That said I've seen enough of him to know he's capable of much better.

Not what he said at all.