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| Quote ="The Brother"Why the fook has Agar played Whiting and Thacks today in the resreves,Berro should be rested along with at least 1 of Dowes or Cusack,so will have a bench with Lee, Washy,Houghton,Moa or something like really starting to worry about his selections'"
I agree!!
We have 4 props, who havent had a lot of game time, this would be a perfect opportunity for the likes of Moa,Maloney King and Thackray to get match hardened.
IMHO - Cusack and Dowes should be rested tomorrow.
Does Agar think, both Cusack and Dowes can play 3 games in 8 days??
Also Berrigan looks as if he's carrying an injury, a chance for Lee and Houghton to rotate.
IF, the coach feels its a risk to play Moa,Maloney King ,Thackray ,Whiting and Washbrook at home against Salford.
When is it a good time ,to give these players a game?
- against St Helens at Knowsley Road???
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| Quote ="Kosh"Did we lose another game?
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No
But after we win today these threads will still dominate
Same shiit different day
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"No
But after we win today these threads will still dominate
Same shiit different day
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To be fair, the comments to this thread are very sensible. Dowes, Cusack and, to an extent Radford, are all out on their feet and need a rest heading into the busy easter schedule.
This was a perfect opportunity to field Thackray, Maloney???, Whiting and Washbrook to give some respite to a tired pack.
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| Quote ="Digby"To be fair, the comments to this thread are very sensible. Dowes, Cusack and, to an extent Radford, are all out on their feet and need a rest heading into the busy easter schedule.
This was a perfect opportunity to field Thackray, Maloney???, Whiting and Washbrook to give some respite to a tired pack.'"
Agree Thacks & Maloney who knows..I have no doubt the coaching team have their reasons and at the moment I have my faith in them..if things get worse thens the time to ask questions.But I am happy so far with what we have achieved so far rightly or wrongly.
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| For me resting our props seems the sensible thing to do.
There must be a reason that the coaching staff have decided not to do this Imo.
Is it down to the players themselves, could it be that our two main props are in the form of their lives and no one wants them to lose form through inactivity, who knows?
I know this. If Agar had left them out today and we ended up getting beat, people would be asking why we didn't play our form players.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Agree Thacks & Maloney who knows..I have no doubt the coaching team have their reasons and at the moment I have my faith in them..if things get worse thens the time to ask questions.But I am happy so far with what we have achieved so far rightly or wrongly.'" Me too, there is still a long way to go and agar should be judged on the full season not the 1st 7 games, yes we are having a little wobble but i've seen enough in the first part of the season to suggest we will be top 4. Agar got his tactics wrong against quins and didn't tactically adapt to the conditions(which we probably won't face again this year).
I am a little worried about our prop rotation but i'm willing to give agar benefit of doubt for the time being. Although the players themselves should be telling agar if they need more of a rest during games!
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| Quote ="UllFC"at the moment:
i'd keep G Horne as cheap cover
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and whilst Thorman wasn't a bad move when we needed to replace Dykes at short notice, i hope the club finally take the cheque book to Australia and get us a top class half back, year after year we fail to address the problem.'"
stop moaning! 7 games 5 wins.. we are 7 points of last years total points
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"I know this. If Agar had left them out today and we ended up getting beat, people would be asking why we didn't play our form players.'"
Yup.
I count myself as pretty firmly in the 'Agar-sceptic' camp, but this is not the game to be resting players. Our only realistic chance of silverware this season is the CC, and underestimating Salford could end that chance at the first hurdle.
He's got himself in something of a corner with his odd bench selections and lack of prop rotation in the last 7 games, but this is not the game to try and fix that problem. We need to just be focused on winning and nothing else.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yup.
He's got himself in something of a corner with his odd bench selections and lack of prop rotation in the last 7 games, but this is not the game to try and fix that problem. We need to just be focused on winning and nothing else.'"
That for me Kosh is the crux of the matter.
We shouldn't need to rest players at this stage of the season (unless there's injury concerns), just manage their fitness/energy levels better.
IMO of course.
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"That for me Kosh is the crux of the matter.
We shouldn't need to rest players at this stage of the season (unless there's injury concerns), just manage their fitness/energy levels better.
IMO of course.
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I'd agree with that.
TBF I think folk are just concerned about our pretty torrid Easter schedule. It's hard enough on players at the best of times, but this year we have short turnarounds and lack of prop rotation to contend with as well.
I still think we need to go with our in form players, though.
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| Quote ="Kosh"
I still think we need to go with our in form players, though.'"
Like Sam Moa?
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| Quote Kosh wrote:
I still think we need to go with our in form players, though.'"
Quote ="Rock God X"Like Sam Moa?'"
That's the Hull accent for ya. Form/Foam.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd agree with that.
TBF I think folk are just concerned about our pretty torrid Easter schedule. It's hard enough on players at the best of times, but this year we have short turnarounds and lack of prop rotation to contend with as well.
I still think we need to go with our in form players, though.'"
After the last 2 matches....who are they?
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"ive fallen out of love with the FC.
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Have to say this exact thought crossed my mind the other day. I'm not quite there yet, but I find myself going through the motions. I rarely look forward to matchdays any more, the uninspiring performances of the last 2½ years make attending more of a chore than a pleasure, and the lows are heavily outweighing the highs for no good reason in my eyes. I've been asked a few times over the past year why I continue to go when it I come back so miserable and the only answer I can come back with is 'They're my team, you just do don't you?'.
On the selection points on here, Moa is clearly one of Agar's favourites. He's done almost nothing to warrant his place but appears to be a regular fixture now. A poor message to send out IMO.
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| Disagree there Kosh, we should be aiming for more than being a 'Kear team' and targetting the CC.
Our next two games are more important and ones were we need players fully fit , so resting today would have been a better option for me
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| Quote ="Exiled Guv"So we win 5 and he's a great coach we lose two and he's ready for the chop, you guys need to realise that the last five years has seen this competition get tighter and tighter to a point were anyone can beat anyone, apart from maybe two teams, judge him at the end of the year and not after two losses
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But the key point to me is that we were pretty the closest team to Leeds and Saints in terms of parity. Won a trophy, split the top 2, and a GF appearance. So the big question that sticks out is why did we fall back into the chasing pack when we should have moved on to establish ourselves as part of the upper echelon?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"After the last 2 matches....who are they?'"
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Disagree there Kosh, we should be aiming for more than being a 'Kear team' and targetting the CC.
Our next two games are more important and ones were we need players fully fit , so resting today would have been a better option for me'"
I can well see your point, but it's the only trophy we stand a chance of winning. Is seventh and a CC win better than fifth and no CC win?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I can well see your point, but it's the only trophy we stand a chance of winning. Is seventh and a CC win better than fifth and no CC win?'"
Depends were you go on from that 5th spot
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Depends were you go on from that 5th spot
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We're not going to win SL from fifth, are we? I'd like to think we could build year on year, but as carl spackler mentioned, we got to within one game of winning the comp and then drifted back to obscurity.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Have to say this exact thought crossed my mind the other day. I'm not quite there yet, but I find myself going through the motions. I rarely look forward to matchdays any more, the uninspiring performances of the last 2½ years make attending more of a chore than a pleasure, and the lows are heavily outweighing the highs for no good reason in my eyes. I've been asked a few times over the past year why I continue to go when it I come back so miserable and the only answer I can come back with is 'They're my team, you just do don't you?'.
On the selection points on here, Moa is clearly one of Agar's favourites. He's done almost nothing to warrant his place but appears to be a regular fixture now. A poor message to send out IMO.'"
Those performances look like superb displays compared to the Walsh era.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"After the last 2 matches....who are they?'"
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Disagree there Kosh, we should be aiming for more than being a 'Kear team' and targetting the CC.
Our next two games are more important and ones were we need players fully fit , so resting today would have been a better option for me'"
Long term I agree with your point, but I guess I just don't believe that we have a team capable of winning SL this season. That being the case, I'd rather we took our best shot at the CC.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Like Sam Moa?'"
I was thinking more of the other players mentioned TBH, like resting Dowes, Cusack and Berrigan.
The Moa situation annoys me a great deal. If Agar thinks he's fit enough to play then he has to do more than one 10 minute spell in the 2nd half. If not, don't play him.
That's more poor team/bench selection than resting key players TBH.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I was thinking more of the other players mentioned TBH, like resting Dowes, Cusack and Berrigan.
The Moa situation annoys me a great deal. If Agar thinks he's fit enough to play then he has to do more than one 10 minute spell in the 2nd half. If not, don't play him.
That's more poor team/bench selection than resting key players TBH.'"
Tell me about it. Like I said on another thread, how radical would it be to play four props and rotate them in 20 minute spells? And perhaps we coud even stretch to a recognised loose forward.
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