The McKinnon loss has been massive for us. A big overseas signing, having a big say in both attack and defence, gone.

We'll get back on the horse and finish about 6th. It's frustrating, but necessary for us to go forward, which I'm confident PG/AP will do for us.

No he didnt....Turner went for the big hit...missed AGAIN and crooks was left high and dry...why would a inexperienced 18yr old be stood there questioning where his centre had gone.Turner may ruin him by end of season....drop him now.

4 good games in 3 years amounts to a club legend is some peoples eyes.

Gentle must have been gutted when Martin and Sharp where injured.

Spot on mate...all the s that slagged Mckinnon off are looking..well,s.Ok,thinks arent great but by god its a damn site better than what the other herbert served up with arguably a better squad.

I think that we should switch Turner and Crooks around. Have Crooks playing Centre and Turner on the wing. It'll help develop Crooks more as a centre and it can't be anyworse than Turner's recent performances at centre.



I agree the McKinnon loss is massive. He completed our attack and was a great threat.

A hat-trick v Rovers and people got carried away with him...crap signing,crap player,crap defence and wont be missed at all.

Agreed played well for half a dozen games in 3 seasons and some thought he was a future international - deluded. He's ordinary.

It already is

What I don't get about this season is what happened in those two weeks after the Leeds game.

Against Leeds we saw 17 players play their hearts out and give one of the best displays we have seen in the last 5-6 years, and the fans left the KC thinking we'd turned a massive corner and were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

then 2 weeks later we put in a dire display at London and were lucky to get a win...and it has been downhill from there. I just don't get how things can change so much in 6 weeks or so.

Players told to look for other clubs?

Something is definitely not right, a team that was performing well and challenging the top 4 is now finding positives from losing 40-18. Talk about chalk and cheese.

I think this is a big factor. People's heads will go missing potentially and create some instability.

Its about time somebody had a go at Turner his whole simply putting his hand up to 'apologise' when he comes flying out of the line got really old really fast.

No, he's been injured and is scheduled to make his return against Salford on Friday, I believe

Fickle fans or careless medical staff?

From a Warrington supporters point of view............ you were well worth your 16 - 6 lead and at 18 - 18 early in the 2nd half either team could have gone on and won it.

The crucial try was Lee Briers to make it 24 - 18, soon after Manu got sin binned and we scored 2 tries when he was off to make it 36 - 18 and game over. You were trying to slow the ruck down & got heavily penalised for it. When the score were close and the game was up for grabs, on at least 2 occasions we were starting a set of six on our own line and we were awarded penalties which enabled us to move to the half way line, this was daft play by Hull because on each occasion we were on the back foot.

Not as many Hull fans as usual made the trip over but the ones that did stayed to the very end and clapped their team off. I think you are a definite for the play offs & showed enough to give your fans more than hope.

fatbelly what a breath of fresh air you are,at last someone who saw the game exactly as it was,instead of fans like fc baldy ranting about his favourite scapegoat yet again.fc boring, sorry baldy,change the record,you have a very unhealthy fixation with turner because you seem to blame him for every loss we haver.Theres 13 players on that side,most of whom were lettin warrington walk right through them yet you only notice one!

Errr a couple of posters agreed with me about Turners defence but you seem blinkerd to that.Yes there was too many penaltys and Pitts should heve done better with Briers as should Russell when Atkins ran through and there is 17 players with the subs,who were,also far from blameless so you change the record.Tickle was off his game,Manu non exsistant,westerman a damn good 1st half but a walking penalty machine..only real threat was Briscoe coming infield....hows that.

All those that were there (me included) no we lost that game due to ill discipline, yes Thaler did over penalise but our players have to learn, it is now 3 maybe 4 games were our discipline has lost us the game. Warrington dont need help making easy metres. IMO PG should have a word with Ian Smith and find out why we are on the back end of these heavy penalty count, most clubs do this.
Also i wasnt impressed with Trent Waterhouse going to Thaler and telling him to put one of our players in the bin after another conceeded penalty (wasnt Manu one)
I understand were FC Baldy is coming from regarding Turner, ever since he basically turned down the contract offer his head hasnt been on the game, Crooks has been left high and dry with him trying to do a 'Yeamo' flying out line but he misses 9/10 which isnt good enough. I would play Yeaman with Crooks and reluctantly put Turner with Briscoe, we dont have many other options to just drop Turner.

Quote ="fc baldy"It looked like it to me mate....was at other side of ground but Turner went missing again,shot out of the line and left Crooks high and dry and he was stood there with his hands as to say "where was you" then Westerman had a go behind the sticks and it carried on....even Seymour was in on it.'" Tuner was making a tackle and Crooks came in and left the wing totally exposed and they scored of that...so Humberside where right Turner was not to blame, 2,27 mins superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#

Quote ="fc baldy"It looked like it to me mate....was at other side of ground but Turner went missing again,shot out of the line and left Crooks high and dry and he was stood there with his hands as to say "where was you" then Westerman had a go behind the sticks and it carried on....even Seymour was in on it.'" Tuner was making a tackle and Crooks came in and left the wing totally exposed and they scored of that...so Humberside where right Turner was not to blame, 2,27 mins superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#

Quote ="Bet Lynch"Tuner was making a tackle and Crooks came in and left the wing totally exposed and they scored of that...so Humberside where right Turner was not to blame, 2,27 mins superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#'" Here's a screenshot. Turner is making the tackle. Crooks has not come in. The entire movement starts at 2.15 on the video. Warrington player breaks the first tackle and is through the line. Turner comes across and makes the tackle on him. No problem with that, the tackle needed to be made. Westerman may have been able to make it just after, but I understand why Turner made it. Crooks did not come across. Crooks stayed in position. Turner's tackle was poor and the Warrington player got the offload away. This left Crooks exposed to a 4 on 1 situation. I think you've been a bit harsh on Crooks.

Quote ="Bet Lynch"Tuner was making a tackle and Crooks came in and left the wing totally exposed and they scored of that...so Humberside where right Turner was not to blame, 2,27 mins superleague.co.uk/sltv/SLHighlights#'" Here's a screenshot. Turner is making the tackle. Crooks has not come in. The entire movement starts at 2.15 on the video. Warrington player breaks the first tackle and is through the line. Turner comes across and makes the tackle on him. No problem with that, the tackle needed to be made. Westerman may have been able to make it just after, but I understand why Turner made it. Crooks did not come across. Crooks stayed in position. Turner's tackle was poor and the Warrington player got the offload away. This left Crooks exposed to a 4 on 1 situation. I think you've been a bit harsh on Crooks.

They score on the wing and Crooks is not there to cover, now I am not having a go at Crooks he is a good player and has loads of potential, however Turner can hardly be blamed for shooting out of the line/going missing when he was clearly making a tackle in position.

For the record I don't think either Turner or Manu have been on form for a few weeks but if is unfair to blame Turner for things he never even did.

Quote ="Bet Lynch"A soon as the ball is played from that tackle they score on the wing and Crooks is not there to cover, now I am not having a go at Crooks he is a good player and has loads of potential, however Turner can hardly be blamed for shooting out of the line/going missing when he was clearly making a tackle in position. For the record I don't think either Turner or Manu have not been on form for a few weeks but if is unfair to blame Turner for things he never even did.'" The ball isn't played from that tackle. It was a poor tackle and the player offloads it, leaving Crooks in a 4 on 1. Here's another clip from that video. Turner shoots out the line and makes a poor tackle. Player offloads, we're exposed, Warrington score (but other players in line could have made a better effort on Atkins). youtu.be/GMdSBXLyIt0?t=3m33s

Quote ="Bet Lynch"A soon as the ball is played from that tackle they score on the wing and Crooks is not there to cover, now I am not having a go at Crooks he is a good player and has loads of potential, however Turner can hardly be blamed for shooting out of the line/going missing when he was clearly making a tackle in position. For the record I don't think either Turner or Manu have not been on form for a few weeks but if is unfair to blame Turner for things he never even did.'" The ball isn't played from that tackle. It was a poor tackle and the player offloads it, leaving Crooks in a 4 on 1. Here's another clip from that video. Turner shoots out the line and makes a poor tackle. Player offloads, we're exposed, Warrington score (but other players in line could have made a better effort on Atkins). youtu.be/GMdSBXLyIt0?t=3m33s

Quote ="Panda92"[uThe ball isn't played from that tackle[/u. It was a poor tackle and the player offloads it, leaving Crooks in a 4 on 1. Here's another clip from that video. Turner shoots out the line and makes a poor tackle. Player offloads, we're exposed, Warrington score (but other players in line could have made a better effort on Atkins). youtu.be/GMdSBXLyIt0?t=3m33s'" I amended not sure why I put that, I will reiterate I am not having a dig or being harsh on Crooks, he is 18 yrs old and doing a grand job, however it appears Turner gets the blame for things which he is not always at fault for, his defense is no where near as bad as some would have us all believe on here, he makes a good amount of tackles and misses very few.

Quote ="Panda92"[uThe ball isn't played from that tackle[/u. It was a poor tackle and the player offloads it, leaving Crooks in a 4 on 1. Here's another clip from that video. Turner shoots out the line and makes a poor tackle. Player offloads, we're exposed, Warrington score (but other players in line could have made a better effort on Atkins). youtu.be/GMdSBXLyIt0?t=3m33s'" I amended not sure why I put that, I will reiterate I am not having a dig or being harsh on Crooks, he is 18 yrs old and doing a grand job, however it appears Turner gets the blame for things which he is not always at fault for, his defense is no where near as bad as some would have us all believe on here, he makes a good amount of tackles and misses very few.

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thats much better baldy,see its not difficult is it?