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| James Rules should s0d off back to kick and clap and leave us league people to the game we know and love. He keeps spurting the same old rubbish saying they have beleif in Agar and that they feel he will come good but there is absolutely not a single shred of evidence to support this. Instead, everything leads to abject failure. Last season i said i wouldn't go till Agar had gone. Then, like many, i caved and went but i will not be going again again till BOTH Agar and Kaths little puppet boy do one for good.
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| Our problem, as previously mentioned is our blind faith.
I my opinion the only way to buck the trend is to do what hurts me most and that is to not attend.
It is perverse in theory but true in fact, I have to hurt my club to help my club. As an Opps Director in business I have no need to change my working practice until it stops working regardless of the quality of my customer service or product.
As soon as my cash flow/ P&L looks like it may be effected I will act swiftly to make sure that it is not.
These are the true supply and demand economics of it all , it makes me angry that i have to take these steps but what other choice do I have to instigate change.
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| Quote ="super sub terry day"Our problem, as previously mentioned is our blind faith.
I my opinion the only way to buck the trend is to do what hurts me most and that is to not attend.
It is perverse in theory but true in fact, I have to hurt my club to help my club. As an Opps Director in business I have no need to change my working practice until it stops working regardless of the quality of my customer service or product.
As soon as my cash flow/ P&L looks like it may be effected I will act swiftly to make sure that it is not.
These are the true supply and demand economics of it all , it makes me angry that i have to take these steps but what other choice do I have to instigate change.'"
Spot on, sadly the fans that blindly support the club wear it as a badge of honour and while their loyalty is in some ways admirable they are part of the problem.
I'm all for supporting the club through good times and bad but when the bad times are entirely self inflicted and very easily rectified then it just amounts to ignorance or stupidity...
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| As much as I personally dislike Rule I can't see why people are blaming him, he wont have, ultimately, made the decision about Agar, it will have been Kath's call, he is simply the front man for the club.
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| Quote ="Standee"As much as I personally dislike Rule I can't see why people are blaming him, he wont have, ultimately, made the decision about Agar, it will have been Kath's call, he is simply the front man for the club.'"
I know but at the end of the day if he's the CEO or whatever his
title is who else are people to blame, especially when he's happy to lie
through his teeth to keep his job. Agar is responsible for what a poor team we have but some make excuses for him, Rule (in theory at least) is responsible
for Agar being in charge but people make excuses for him too by saying it's Kath calling the shots. I don't blame Rule for hanging on to his job in any way he can, but if he's prepared to spout that nonsense he has to take the flack.
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"I know but at the end of the day if he's the CEO or whatever his
title is who else are people to blame, especially when he's happy to lie
through his teeth to keep his job. Agar is responsible for what a poor team we have but some make excuses for him, Rule (in theory at least) is responsible
for Agar being in charge but people make excuses for him too by saying it's Kath calling the shots. I don't blame Rule for hanging on to his job in any way he can, but if he's prepared to spout that nonsense he has to take the flack.'"
But he isn't "hanging on to his job" he is the most successful person in his post in SL, I imagine he is frustrated that the commercial operation is hampered by the playing situation.
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| How is he the most successful?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"How is he the most successful?'"
Which other clubs are turning a positive balance sheet year on year?
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| Quote ="Standee"But he isn't "hanging on to his job" he is the most successful person in his post in SL, I imagine he is frustrated that the commercial operation is hampered by the playing situation.'"
I didn't mean his job was under threat and he is apparenty very good at all aspects of his job that have nothing to do with sport. I just meant that if he told the truth about Agar then his job would become under threat so he's prepared to lie repeatedly in order to not put himself in that position.
Whether it's down to Jowly James or Kath, ateotd he's paid to be a CEO/ figurehead so whatever flack he gets he deserves....
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"I didn't mean his job was under threat and he is apparenty very good at all aspects of his job that have nothing to do with sport. I just meant that if he told the truth about Agar then his job would become under threat so he's prepared to lie repeatedly in order to not put himself in that position.
Whether it's down to Jowly James or Kath, ateotd he's paid to be a CEO/ figurehead so whatever flack he gets he deserves....'"
But is he lying, we don't agree with his opinion, doesn't make him a liar.
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| Sorry but his constant backing of a massively underperforming coach leads me to think thats he's as clueless as Agar, hence me wanting rid of them both. When Agar falls on his own sword (sadly many many moons away i think) then i expect Toolboy to do one as well.
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| So, you expect the senior officer of the company to openly crticise one of his employee's?
Can tell some people posting on here struggle to hold down a paper round.
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| Quote ="Standee"But is he lying, we don't agree with his opinion, doesn't make him a liar.'"
well personally i think he's lying, but if it suits the discussion better let's say he spouts propaganda with minimal factual basis and ignores overwhelming evidence that supports the exact opposite to what he says....
He's clearly not daft so what other conclusion can there be to
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| The club is interested in making money like any other business who can blame them? If your not happy don't buy the merchandise. If we don't buy the merchandise the club cannot afford the expensive players. Catch 22.
Agar is a good coach just needs a Manager to control the Management of the team. We have the same problem now as when Kear took over from McRae.
McRae was a Manager with Kear a fantastic coach beneath him. Thats what most teams have a decent Head Coach/Manager with a Good Coach behind them.
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| Quote ="Standee"Which other clubs are turning a positive balance sheet year on year?'"
Is that down to him?
Maybe cost cutting by using cheap options
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| "As a board we appreciate that we have an enormous fan base and that it is impossible for our decisions to please all of our fans all of the time."
I like the extract from the standard letter sent out to us all, impossible to please all our fans, I guess they are right and we do have a few fans happy to see agar in the job and the team playing really crap.
To me it's seems like one step forward and two back.
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| Quote ="Standee"So, you expect the senior officer of the company to openly crticise one of his employee's?
Can tell some people posting on here struggle to hold down a paper round.'"
No I don't (although it would be nice). My point (again) was simply that if he's prepared to perpetuate the bull he deserves all the flack he gets.
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| Quote ="joolsc"Thats what most teams have a Manager and a coach.'"
Care to list who the "managers" are at Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Bradford...shall I go on?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Is that down to him?'"
I can guarantee that if we were [ilosing[/i money he'd get the blame for it, so the reverse only seems fair to me.
I know that some on here like to say that the board has just been lucky, but I can remember not that long ago when our commercial operations were a shambles and we were not able to generate the income that our situation made available. Whatever else he may or may not have done, Rule has overseen a transformation of that side of the business so that we now maximise income from all potential revenue streams.
The [ionly[/i area where Rule and the board have fallen short is the one most important to the fans, and that's the on-field performance. It needs sorting, but I can't see why we have to throw the baby out with the bath water to do it.
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| Quote ="Kosh"throw the baby out with the bath water to do it.'"
you are John Kear and I claim my night in with The Nolans!
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"No I don't (although it would be nice). My point (again) was simply that if he's prepared to perpetuate the bull he deserves all the flack he gets.'"
There is the distinct possibility that he doesn't consider it to be bull. He could be completely genuine. I know for a fact that there are respected former players and others with good standing in the sport who insist that Agar is a good coach who will produce given time. Maybe Rule and the board are persuaded by people like these rather than complaints from the fans.
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| Quote ="Standee"Care to list who the "managers" are at Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Bradford...shall I go on?'"
Sorry submitted it before I had finished. Your right most teams have a Head Coach that can manage situations. Agar is just an attacking coach but a very good one.
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| Quote ="Standee"you are John Kear and I claim my night in with The Nolans!'"
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| Quote ="Standee"As much as I personally dislike Rule I can't see why people are blaming him, he wont have, ultimately, made the decision about Agar, it will have been Kath's call, he is simply the front man for the club.'"
and a very good one at that ... well said!
Sometimes its easy to knee jerk and ask for this and that to be sacked, beware one day you may get what you want..
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| Quote ="Standee"Which other clubs are turning a positive balance sheet year on year?'"
Positive balance sheet? What are you talking about?
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