Absolutely 100% spot on.

Exactly.

The inconsistency in refereeing is appalling. But it can't be used as an excuse. You've got to be smart enough to realise at the start of the game how a referee is going to control the game and play accordingly. It seems our players just went with the game plan of "slow the play the ball down at all costs" and it killed us. It's just dumb. What's worse? Giving a quick PTB away where they might pinch 10 easy yards, or giving a penalty away where they'll get about 30 free yards and a restarted set? The penalties killed the game for us. It's really disappointing because we were excellent near their line.

Our discipline hasn't been a big issue this season. Last night we did struggle in the collision and therefore found it very difficult to be tidy around the rucks. That said the difference in time taken in the rucks was not as different for the two teams as the penalty count would make out. The referee did not punish Wigan as heavily as Hull for the same offences.

When we were near their line, we were just as clinical as them. If we'd have not given as many penalties away, we'd have been in the game. If the penalty count was the other way, we'd have probably stuffed them. The difference was our discipline was awful and theirs wasn't. We are both good teams with ball in hand, that's why there were a lot of tries.

Err... yes they do.

I thought the difference was they were more "dominating" in the tackle, getting more defenders in than us. It just made it easier for the french idiot to penalise us I think as we looked slower

Glad to see he clamped down on your spoiling tactics

At least watching the rovers game on SKY+ this morning cheered me up

They were smarter (much smarter) in the ruck than us. At times they seemed to take as long as us to peel away, but they worked it better. We were just obvious at times. I thought it was ridiculous how dumb we were in the ruck at times. I remember seeing Lauaki and Radford in a tackle, and Lauaki blatantly holding down thinking to myself "we were lucky to get away with that" and then Radford pushing him straight back down as Lauaki released. It was just dumb.

Quote ="Jake the Peg"At least watching the rovers game on SKY+ this morning cheered me up '" It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm

Quote ="Jake the Peg"At least watching the rovers game on SKY+ this morning cheered me up '" It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm

This coming from the person with "You'll never win at Wembley" in their avatar

That's a laugh coming from your good self ex councillor

Ex councillor?

Wrong poster.

double post

I have no axe to grind with Morgan ,but I love the way his expression changes from smug,when winning,to fixed stare ,when losing.

On topic ,Halibut MUST be the worst ref ever,bar none.

Quote ="MrPhilb"It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm'" You've changed since your Itec days then!

Quote ="MrPhilb"It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm'" You've changed since your Itec days then!

Quote ="MrPhilb"It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm'" What you on here for then ,when the subject is the most crap ref , not your team and agree you'll never win at new Wembley

Quote ="MrPhilb"It would do mate, because you have a small mentality. The fact you got beat last night doesn't cheer me up one bit for the simple reason we lost. Anyway, agars mincing about the delaying tactics news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 565783.stm'" What you on here for then ,when the subject is the most crap ref , not your team and agree you'll never win at new Wembley

For the record Phil B has never chased a pensione in his car, or refused disabled people access to his golf club

He's still a red though , about the only connection they have

Really? Is this fat phil who used to be in IT then?

Spot on, we have never seemed capable of playing to a ref's strengths & weaknesses. At any one time, there are 27 people on the field, who can have a direct influence on the game. Game plans and moves are customised at training to take advantage of an opposition team or individual player's strengths and weaknesses, to fail to include the referee in those plans is inexcusable. All refs have particular areas of the game that they major on, so usually there's no need to wait until the game has started to unfold, to see what the ref's particular area may be. If during a game, you are getting pinged for something, then stop doing it, it can't be that difficult surely?

Or having a ref that has the basic knowledge of the game may help....there is a small pool of refs and they are in a comfort zone....was impressed with Childs the other night at dobbins.

Dave, you forgot from all your experience within the game that 99% of rugby players lack something




Although in fairness when he had Halibut the other week, he let go everything he was pulling for us on friday, but yes after the 3rd penalty we should have clicked upstairs

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