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| And if Agar succeeds?
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| Quote ="downtheante"And if Agar succeeds?'"
Don't worry, he wont.
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| Quote ="Standee"Don't worry, he wont.'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Great post which echoes my own sentiments. I actually blame rule more than agar for the current state of the club. After all, he is the one who appointed him and continues to back him. 2 very poor appoitments from the club for me which epitomise the lack of vision within the club'"
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Interesting perspective on Rule's position, Ian P also. However, if it is indeed the case that he had no part in Agar's appointment and has no power to sack him then he has simply accepted that it is part of his remit to be a 'lightening conductor' for the wrath of fans. Thus by being prepared to continually back Agar in the press and on the radio he deserves the flack that he gets for this aswell as the damage to fans perceptions of his intelligence and ability to do his job. I accept of course that he's in a good, highly paid job and it's understandable that he doesn't want to lose it and therefore has to tow the party line, but as a consequence of this he has to accept the resulting criticism.'"
I see what you mean.
Its his job to back Agar at the moment, it was also his job to back Sharp and he did upto the board getting rid of him. Then James took on the mantle of the who had sacked him, he had in truth not of course that was higher up.
Top and bottom is that Agar will be thrown out of the lifeboat as soon as it looks like being stupid to keep him in it. Like wise James Rule and the precident there is his predecessor who was made to walk the plank for some collective cock ups.
I just think our problems are higher up the chain of command and the people who appoint these in the first place are the ones who have failed.
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| Quote ="wolfie"yeh right
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And you, it's your fault. You and yer feckin fun bus
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| Quote ="UllFC"I think the board have realised that they probably got rid of Kear and Sharp too hastily...so are deciding to give time to the coach that really doesn't deserve it in a bid for stability.
Whilst i was in favour of Sharp going (I think he had really ran out of ideas and physically appeared drained and stressed) the rugby we thought was bad then was better than 2009 has been
this clubs got so bad that i'm getting misty eyed for the inconsistent days of Kear, missing the playoffs cos of salary cap breach in 2003, heck at least 1999 had the stress and drama of possibly going down and going bust. This season is just dead rubber all the way now.'"
I would certainly prefer Peter Sharp in now to Agar. The club were too quick to listen to hand wringing fans calling for his head. The same fans who criticise the club for constant spin are the ones who used to accuse Sharp of not being media savvy. Too late now. Agar may do better with a more professional group of players next season - if he doesn't he should be out.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I would certainly prefer Peter Sharp in now to Agar. The club were too quick to listen to hand wringing fans calling for his head. The same fans who criticise the club for constant spin are the ones who used to accuse Sharp of not being media savvy. Too late now. Agar may do better with a more professional group of players next season - if he doesn't he should be out.'"
Two sentences - that's all it took - two sentences.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I would certainly prefer Peter Sharp in now to Agar. The club were too quick to listen to hand wringing fans calling for his head. The same fans who criticise the club for constant spin are the ones who used to accuse Sharp of not being media savvy. Too late now. Agar may do better with a more professional group of players next season - if he doesn't he should be out.'"
Just because sharp was less worse than agar doesn't mean he was a good coach. Neither was kear. The club have made 3 successive poor coaching appointments. I've said it before that if we'd invested in a top quality coach when mcrae left we'd have won SL by now.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Just because sharp was less worse than agar doesn't mean he was a good coach. Neither was kear. The club have made 3 successive poor coaching appointments. I've said it before that if we'd invested in a top quality coach when mcrae left we'd have won SL by now.'"
Bugger - that was only two sentences as well.
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| Quote ="downtheante"
Bugger - that was only two sentences as well.'"
Shouldn't you be scouring the pubs of Hull looking for players out on the pish?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Shouldn't you be scouring the pubs of Hull looking for players out on the pish?'"
Ah - good point. What was I thinking?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Just because sharp was less worse than agar doesn't mean he was a good coach. Neither was kear. The club have made 3 successive poor coaching appointments. I've said it before that if we'd invested in a top quality coach when mcrae left we'd have won SL by now.'"
Agreed, although i actually liked Sharp and maybe he should have been given more time at the helm.
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| I would maybe disagree that Sharp was a bad coach. He got us to a GF in his first half season here and then achieved a respectable 4th place the year after. I think the guy deserves a lot of credit for that. I really think that he could of built something here. To be honest, I think a fully fit Adam Dykes and a few less injuries in general would of put us in a great position last year. Then throw in a clear-out that im sure Sharp would of instigated at the end of last year and I think we would of been cooking on gas. I think the guy got a bad deal really
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Great post which echoes my own sentiments. I actually blame rule more than agar for the current state of the club. After all, he is the one who appointed him and continues to back him. 2 very poor appoitments from the club for me which epitomise the lack of vision within the club'"
Whose decision was it to appoint Agar??
Rule or Kath???
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| Quote ="andymacca"I would maybe disagree that Sharp was a bad coach. He got us to a GF in his first half season here and then achieved a respectable 4th place the year after. I think the guy deserves a lot of credit for that. I really think that he could of built something here. To be honest, I think a fully fit Adam Dykes and a few less injuries in general would of put us in a great position last year. Then throw in a clear-out that im sure Sharp would of instigated at the end of last year and I think we would of been cooking on gas. I think the guy got a bad deal really'"
To be honest,I thought the five drives and a feeble kick we were watching under him was a bit dour.It seems a ray of sunshine in retrospect to what we are witnessing now I.M.O.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Whose decision was it to appoint Agar??
Rule or Kath???'"
kath's on the recommendation of rule
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"kath's on the recommendation of rule'"
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Hi Everyone,
First of all I'd like to introduce myself, I'm 26 years of age and I've been a full-time FC fan for 5 or 6 years now, although I have fond memories of being taken to the Boulevard as a child by my grandad. Due to the fact I'm usually based in West Yorkshire I am unable to attend every match but I would say on average I make it to around 50% of games per season, the majority of which are away games.
I've read this message board with interest for a number of years but have never felt compelled to post myself until now, so aswell as saying hello I want to take the opportunity to lay my cards on the table with regards to my feelings over the current goings on at the club.
I should start by saying I'm a firm member of the 'Agar Out' society. Without wanting to go over too much ground thats already been covered on this board at length, I could see no justification for appointing the man in the first place and since he was given the role I cannot see a single shred of evidence to suggest that he should remain in the role. The man is clearly out of his depth and has failed to demonstrate any tactical awareness or motivational skills in his time in charge and it is my opinion that him and his assistant Jon Sharpe are essentially running the club into the ground.
Agar's sympathisers continue to trot out the 'it's not his team' line and suggest just because some better players have been signed for next season that he 'deserves a chance' to manage that side. I am not prepared to tolerate my beloved team being used as a guinea pig and personally don't feel that Agar deserves much credit at all for next season's signings, anyone with even limited knowledge of our sport could see where the major shortcomings in our squad are, and the line given to us by Mr Rule that Agar was instrumental in persuading these players to sign is frankly nonsense in my opinion, these players have come for the money and/or length of the deal on the table, which is the nature of our sport these days. I will leave it there with my feelings on Agar but I could go on for hours (he can't speak properly, looks scruffy, insults the fans etc etc etc).
Anyway the main point of this post is that Rule (a man I also feel is way way out of his depth) has backed Agar to such a ridiculous extent, with his 'chef's ingredients' analogys etc (Agar isn't fit to be a pot washer!) that he must take responsibility himself. I feel that because Rule has tolerated a win % of 30 odd percent, increasingly appalling performances on the pitch and regression in the abilities of our better players that if he gets his wish and Agar is allowed to stay until next season he has to resign himself when Agar inevitably falls on his sword a few games into next season. By this point it will be a 3rd season down the drain and the extent to which Rule has backed this no-hoper means he is just as responsible as Agar for our downfall and would surely have to go himself.
Apologies for the length of this post, I look forward to any responses and future debates on this forum!
Thanks for reading,
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get to the point
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| Quote ="offical rumour monger"get to the point
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to be honest I've heard that Rule is Kath's nephew, is dating her daughter...now he's her Godson...
I have my doubts about the both of them, but has anyone actually got any evidence for any of these random claims?
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| Quote ="UllFC"to be honest I've heard that Rule is Kath's nephew, is dating her daughter...now he's her Godson...
I have my doubts about the both of them, but has anyone actually got any evidence for any of these random claims?'"
so far as I can tell, it is all rubbish.
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| Quote ="UllFC"to be honest I've heard that Rule is Kath's nephew, is dating her daughter...now he's her Godson...
I have my doubts about the both of them, but has anyone actually got any evidence for any of these random claims?'"
Is that the sound of duelling banjoes?
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| Quote ="barton baird"To be honest,I thought the five drives and a feeble kick we were watching under him was a bit dour.It seems a ray of sunshine in retrospect to what we are witnessing now I.M.O.'"
The difference is that then it was playing to our strengths. We had a good set of forwards capable of carrying it strongly, putting us on the front foot for Cooke, Horne and Tony to work off the back of. Cooke going meant that we were still making the ground but didn't have anyone to create anything after that good work until Head came. And then at the start of 2008 we lost Carvell, and the majority of the punch in the forwards, [iand[/i we didn't have a half, so that was never going to go well. Sharp was a good coach, who played to the strengths of the squad, but he was just dealt a couple of very bad hands. And still took us to our best two SL finishes in his two completed seasons.
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| Quote ="trys'r'us"The difference is that then it was playing to our strengths. We had a good set of forwards capable of carrying it strongly, putting us on the front foot for Cooke, Horne and Tony to work off the back of. Cooke going meant that we were still making the ground but didn't have anyone to create anything after that good work until Head came. And then at the start of 2008 we lost Carvell, and the majority of the punch in the forwards, [iand[/i we didn't have a half, so that was never going to go well. Sharp was a good coach, who played to the strengths of the squad, but he was just dealt a couple of very bad hands. And still took us to our best two SL finishes in his two completed seasons.'"
Everyone seems to be Sharpy's pal now. Pity he didn't have more friends at the time he left.
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