Three trails of thoughts from me:

1. If it is indeed Thirkill investing, maybe nothing could be said officially until his tenure as Leeds Club President was complete. Seeing as that ended yesterday, hopefully that means that there's nothing to stop any announcement today.
2. Wouldn't be at all surprised that we don't hear anything until the week of the Fans Forum and Dinner so that everything has a positivity about it.
3. I'm making this up as I go along and I am now off for a cuppa and a bacon sarnie.

Point 3

On the Cartwright interview, it very much feels like a fresh start. Forget about last season, it's over and done with as far he's concerned. Liking that he also wants them to be professionals and look after themselves. Think the shape they show up in on Tuesday will tell him a lot about their individual characters. Also like how he emphasised that the signings we have made are more about what they are going to bring to the younger players and aiding their development.

Hull Live saying closing in on 6k pass sales. Sounds promising but hard to compare to other years as I dont remember us having an early November deadline for cheaper prices and then end November deadline reserved seat deadlines before.

Still it isnt the mass exodus some predicted and even if pass sales stopped right now with walkups, corporate and away fans we'd be over the 7.5k IMG points threshold.

I remember certain doom mongers on here saying we wouldn't get 2000 pass sales

I think in hindsight having had time to digest what he actually said and indeed what he didn't say and assessing his career to date, he's probably the best thing we've had coach wise for a while and as I said a few weeks ago, if he can't turn the ship around, then I don't know where else we could go, it feels very much like the last chance saloon to me.

However. He has got a historically significant and a much loved club behind him which has a great fanbase but he recognises that counts for nothing if we don't perform and although he is very measured in what he says however prepared he is I can assure him that having spoken to both British and Aussies Coaches and players that have come into the club, he won't yet realise the depth of the passion, the amount of wanting and the fickleness of the fan base he's inheriting, nor can anyone from outside the British game ever appreciate the cauldron that is Rugby League in Hull, for you can keep Wigan and Saint Helens and Leeds and Bradford nothing compares with the loathing and hatred that comes for both sides of the City and the respective fan bases.

Although he has had a say in 6 or 7 of the current seasons signings he is inheriting a lot of players that for one reason or another have attitude, ability and indeed in a couple of cases weight problems and if he can get a tune out if therm where others have failed he will be doing well. The new coach certainly comes with a reputation for being a great communicator and not suffering fools gladly and everyone will be given a clean sheet and a fresh start. The way even in the first interview he thought about his answers was very succinct and measured and so we all tended to hang on every word he said, possibly indicates a good communicator who won't continue the baffling answers of Brett Hodgson, the rambling, muddled 'talking down', 'I know best' type of rhetoric we got from Smith or the 'I'm as baffled as you all are', commentary from Grix.

This guy has a reputation for developing players and understanding the dressing room dynamic which has to be good at our club where he faces the million dollar conundrum concerning years and years of an attitude problem, that travels through owners coaches and players alike. We need to manage ourselves better on the pitch and he has certainly had a hand in bringing in some characters to a rudderless ship, who can lead that. You can certainly see what he is trying to do, but can he succeed where so many others have failed. At least for once he isn't a cheap and cheerful solution and is a person with some gravitas and reputation behind him.

Do we believe in magic wands, miracles or indeed Miracle workers, well not really, but we all need I think to stay off his back and at least give him until he has had the benefit of a whole season assessing the market and his players and had the opportunity to operate through a full round of recruitment for the 2026 season.

Let's wait and see how we set the team up and how organised and most importantly committed we are. Those of us who lived through the late 60's and early 70's will remember how many coaches and false dawns it took before DDD and then Arthur Bunting (and a shed load of money) turned it around. DDD set up the systems and the heart and the team spirit and Arthur continued by spending loads of money improving the team and for many of those I speak to, we are now in bigger hole now than we were back then.

And as the survivor of more false Dawns than you would get at a club for transvestites, I do feel heartened by what I'm hearing so far, so let's just see how it goes.

Yes that was typical RLFans hyperbole. Absolute nonsense like the other prediction that the derby will be the only five figure attendance next season. If that happens I'll get "HULL KR FOREVER" tattooed on my forehead.

Great analysis as always Wilf.

For me, the key is giving him time. All coaches need time, particularly when they are inheriting a club in disarray as we have been. No doubt there will still be some idiots that say Cartwright Out after his first loss but hopefully the majority of us will back him and give him that time.

It does feel like a good appointment (I thought the same of Smith though so maybe not the best judge!) but crucially I feel that he's not coming in with his hands tied behind his back too much as some of his predecessors have. The backroom staff has been strengthened, he's had players brought in that he knows and trusts, he's saying there's room available to do further recruitment... it feels like he has resources and tools to work with and I think that is crucial for a coach of any club in any sport if they are to succeed.

Thought Cartwright spoke really well in the interview

Careful what you wish for

fingers crossed

At least Pearson can't say we're operating at full cap this year, or at least not just yet, since Cartwright has now said there's a bit of room left on there

I think he sounded really honest, it wasn't full of cliches and false promises but i think it's clear that people will be held accountable. He expects hard work and 100% and anything less won't be tolerated. I loved the way he spoke of the experienced players we've signed, He knows how important they are and how they'll set the example to the younger players and demand the same standard of effort and professionalism.
We'll just have to sit back and see how it pans out, I certainly think we need to go quietly about our business and do our talking on the pitch, nobody's expecting miracles, just clear improvement in everything we do is a good starting point.

Anything is possible under Pearson-onomics, we sometimes have millions of salary cap sat in the stands, other times space for potential signings, depends if he wants to plead poverty or has passes and shirts to sell at the time

Dont believe a word Pearson says anymore

Great start, welcome Carty !!

Penrith references are heart warming, if you could bottle a percentage of Penrith DNA you would make a fortune. Surely he is the best option to deliver that at this time.

Their conveyer belt of young talent is phenomenal, losing at least 2 starters every year but seamlessly rolling on. Our youngsters have a fantastic opportunity to get on the train, work their socks off, live well & listen to sound advice. Personally I doubt many of them will feature much this year ( barring disastrous injuries ) but 2026 could be big for many of them. We might even produce another international ( been a while ).

Assuming we do improve, to whatever extent, and the investment is confirmed we will surely be on the front foot for recruitment & be much more attractive to players for 2026.

Some encouraging comments from Cartwright regarding the incoming quota players, especially what he has to say about Cade Cust

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Yep good words.

One thing is he is totally right about the quota players, we have had value for years, last year was the worst of the lot, on paper looks vastly superior to last season.

Grade A clubs Cas and Wakey selling 2000 and 2500 season tickets.

True but their TV screens meet the IMG criteria. Much more important.

Should be way more…Cas have just signed the world class hooker Rimbu and Wales have a far superior squad to ours…all according to some on here.Also the awesome Kershaw has just signed for Man City rovers so Peggy will be beside himself.

Think his community reference is to Penrith not Paramatta who are actually bitter derby rivals in the western Sydney area. Cartwright's nephew Bryce currently plays for Parra having started his career like his uncle at Penrith as did Jed Cartwright.

I was a season ticket holder at Penrith from 2000 to 2023 before moving to the NSW North coast.

No matter how extensively i try and square this IMG malarkey in my head the further and further i fail to do so.

Last season 3 of our Academy players played more than 14 games and numerous others were presented with an opportunity to take their academy development and put it out there in the professional arena. To me, highlighting, to the most extreme, that youth/academy is one of the most sustainable elements to a fickle and troubled sport.

But you get more licence points for having the requisite number of pixels on you screen.

You've put him ignore, but keep referencing him.

Perhaps you should admit you are in love with him, but the love is unrequited?

It will help you

Oh I don’t know….he keeps mentioning me in his posts as well,he may need all this banter to get it up.