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| Quote ="ccs"Translation....
If Hull FC are stupid enough to take up the whole offer then we'll be £41,800 a year better off.
If they refuse, it'll cost me nothing to fill the KC with Hull City memorabilia.'"
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| Quote ="fc baldy"icon_razz.gifRAY:
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Pah. If I left who else would you moan about all the time?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Pah. If I left who else would you moan about all the time?'"
Paul M, Skyrack, Mao Rover
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Paul M, Skyrack, Mao Rover'"
I'm detecting a theme here.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Pah. If I left who else would you moan about all the time?'"
Never mind fraternising with the untermenschen.
Get them sticky's tidied up.
The Saints one's can go for starters.
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| Can't we all just buy a shed load of EuroMillions tickets and when one of us inevitably wins, buy us a new ground?!
You just get the feeling that this issue sharing with City is never going to disappear. My plan is obviously fool proof!
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Indeed he did. Interesting in view of Burnsy's understanding that the clause remains in place.
Ehab challenged Hull FC to waive the confidentiality clause. Not down to Hull to do that - down to the Allans to present them with a watertight legal document assuring Hull that the ALLAMS have lifted the clause.
A cynic could think this a thinly disguised attempt to entice Hull into acting without authorisation leaving themselves wide open to expulsion. Like the kid in the playground telling the other kid it's safe to come out now, them splattering him with a left hander when he does.'"
As i see it the clause still is in place I think thats spot on WIH, Burnsey knows whats happening, he knows Adam well, they want us to comment and Burnsey knows that ,if we comment we are in breach if we are in breach well he says we could get kicked out.
Despite all the conspiracy theories about why we aint saying anything Adam will have taken legal advice on what he can and can't do. If the mail and everyone else who seems to think we should be making a statement wants one, then they should get a written legally binding document from the Allams that agrees that if any confidentiality is breeched by a statement, no action can be taken and that agreement should be printed in the paper. But it won't happen and we won't hear anything. Have a statement from our owner or as burnsey says risk getting kicked out I know which I prefare
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"As i see it the clause still is in place I think thats spot on WIH, Burnsey knows whats happening, [uhe knows Adam well[/u, they want us to comment and Burnsey knows that ,if we comment we are in breach if we are in breach well he says we could get kicked out.
Despite all the conspiracy theories about why we aint saying anything Adam will have taken legal advice on what he can and can't do. If the mail and everyone else who seems to think we should be making a statement wants one, then they should get a written legally binding document from the Allams that agrees that if any confidentiality is breeched by a statement, no action can be taken and that agreement should be printed in the paper. But it won't happen and we won't hear anything. Have a statement from our owner or as burnsey says risk getting kicked out I know which I prefare'"
Think you're right. It was obvious Burnsy had the inside track with AP on the Barmby saga and how that was reported, basically sounded like there was a hotline between them. Can't see the club saying anything, therefore. We know the clause exists, confirmed by the Allams, and they're now inviting us to breach it. Guess it's simply not worth the risk.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Sally Bercow ended up being chased by McAlpine's lawyers for less'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Think you're right. It was obvious Burnsy had the inside track with AP on the Barmby saga and how that was reported, basically sounded like there was a hotline between them. Can't see the club saying anything, therefore. We know the clause exists, confirmed by the Allams, and they're now inviting us to breach it. Guess it's simply not worth the risk.'"
Which clearly means the Allam's are not tied to the same agreement.
That makes it rather unfortunate for Hull FC as they (Allam's) can state whatever info they want and FC cannot dispute it under the risk of expulsion.
A rather unfair situation IMHO.
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| wont matter , City will leave the stadium within a few years anyway regardless of league position ... a number of east Yorkshire businesses have promised investment , planning permission given .. its only a matter of when .. not if .. the SMC being "given" to the council is the start .. the allams are playing a blinder here .. basically walking away with the best face they can ,,, Its sad its got to this but business is business it seems
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| Quote ="dazed78"wont matter , City will leave the stadium within a few years anyway regardless of league position ... a number of east Yorkshire businesses have promised investment , planning permission given .. its only a matter of when .. not if .. the SMC being "given" to the council is the start .. the allams are playing a blinder here .. basically walking away with the best face they can ,,, Its sad its got to this but business is business it seems'"
Where has planning permission been given for, Mr Newbie?
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| Quote ="dazed78"wont matter , City will leave the stadium within a few years anyway regardless of league position ... a number of east Yorkshire businesses have promised investment , planning permission given .. its only a matter of when .. not if .. the SMC being "given" to the council is the start .. the allams are playing a blinder here .. basically walking away with the best face they can ,,, Its sad its got to this but business is business it seems'"
Did you win today.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Which clearly means the Allam's are not tied to the same agreement.
That makes it rather unfortunate for Hull FC as they (Allam's) can state whatever info they want and FC cannot dispute it under the risk of expulsion.
A rather unfair situation IMHO.'"
Yep. It stinks. But us Hull fans have been aware of the discrepancy since Duffen the Mule. Problem's been we sound like paraniod loons when we try to explain matters to outsiders. It sounds too ridiculous. It takes a situation like this to start to open people's eyes to what the Allam's are up to. If they have the nounce to read between the spin-fuelled lines.
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| Quote ="dazed78"wont matter , City will leave the stadium within a few years anyway regardless of league position ... a number of east Yorkshire businesses have promised investment , planning permission given .. its only a matter of when .. not if .. the SMC being "given" to the council is the start .. the allams are playing a blinder here .. basically walking away with the best face they can ,,, Its sad its got to this but business is business it seems'"
Is this the mythical Melton Superstadium?
So, apart from facing any penalties for reneging on the rental agreement with the SMC, these "east yorkshire businesses" will then help fund a stadium costing upwards of £50m, plus any figure you care to name for team building?
Where do you suggest Hull City will play while this stadium is being built?
The more I read of these HCFC fantasies, they make the Tony Larvin deal seem more plausible every day and Larvin seem like a level-headed businessman
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Is this the mythical Melton Superstadium?
So, apart from facing any penalties for reneging on the rental agreement with the SMC, these "east yorkshire businesses" will then help fund a stadium costing upwards of £50m, plus any figure you care to name for team building?
Where do you suggest Hull City will play while this stadium is being built?
The more I read of these HCFC fantasies, they make the Tony Larvin deal seem more plausible every day and Larvin seem like a level-headed businessman'"
Read it again, [uplanning permission for the new stadium has already been granted[/u. Bit surprised it's not been reported anywhere, but our new man seems to be in the know.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"The key fact is that contracts cannot simply be changed unless there is mutual agreement.
There is also some creative reporting via the HDM. Terms like "The SMC have had to take in the chin" and "The SMC are subsidising" when in fact these are contractual obligations is what is blowing the facts out of context.
I can understand you backing your Chairman, but you must also see the inequity of this situation and that playing it out in the local press, knowing that the counter party is bound by confidentiality is a very lop sided viewpoint.
Its also a surprise that despite the last contractual review (in 2006) the SMC continued to break even / make a modest profit until 2010. Is it just coinsidence that it has been making significant losses under the Allam reign? It doesnt take much to transfer certain items intra group from an accounting point of view.
Anyway, if they truely do want an open book situation, as has been mentioned, that would tell up whop pays for the non sporting images at the KC.
I have also noticed on this thread that Stewarding is provided free of charge? Now I have not seen the lease agreement, original or revised (I doubt many people have), but at no point has this ever come out into a public forum that the rental agreement for a sporting facility did not include stewarding. At what point does that start getting charge? Because it would take a formal agreement between both parties to change that, unless of course there is a date in the current agreement which states so.
As a City fan, are YOU happy with the running of your clubs business? Aside of what happens on the pitch, are you not the slightest bit concerned by the behaviour, attitude, and public comments of your owner? That Hull City's debt position has increased in their reign regardless of the fact that when they took over they very publicly stated that they spent in excess of £40m on Hull City.
Are you not at all concered that your owner publicly stated that he would move Hull City to Melton if he didn't get legal title to the KC. He didnt get it yet there are no plans afoot for relocating yet? Why has he not gone ahead with this?
Becareful who you back and what you wish for
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A reasonable question, that warrants a reasonable response.
I think Assem is slightly bonkers, he saved my club, so I'm obviously grateful, but he does some very odd things and is not entirely reasonable all the time. As I've already mentioned on this thread, I was very critical of his treatment of Barmby, I happen to know what actually went on and the way it was presented in the media was not accurate.
I have no idea what the lease terms are, so I have no idea what can and can't be done under the terms of that lease. I've seen the SMC accounts and though they aren't detailed accounts, they do show that the SMC is not covering it's costs and that's a situation that needs to be sorted.
As things currently stand, Ehab Allam has gone on record to clarify several numbers involved and stated the case for the SMC, until someone contests those numbers and claims that things are not as stated, then I've no reason to think they're wrong.
Adam needs to state his case, he should have done so already.
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The more I read of these HCFC fantasies, they make the Tony Larvin deal seem more plausible every day and Larvin seem like a level-headed businessman'"
Tsk. Doncha know yet? Timeshare Tony's the new SMC buyer when the council decline Ehab's kind offer.
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| Quote ="Lambrettaman"
Adam needs to state his case, he should have done so already.'"
He can't, not without contravening a confidentiality clause and potentially jeopardising our tenancy of the KC
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| Quote ="Lambrettaman"A reasonable question, that warrants a reasonable response.
I think Assem is slightly bonkers, he saved my club, so I'm obviously grateful, but he does some very odd things and is not entirely reasonable all the time. As I've already mentioned on this thread, I was very critical of his treatment of Barmby, I happen to know what actually went on and the way it was presented in the media was not accurate.
I have no idea what the lease terms are, so I have no idea what can and can't be done under the terms of that lease. I've seen the SMC accounts and though they aren't detailed accounts, they do show that the SMC is not covering it's costs and that's a situation that needs to be sorted.
As things currently stand, Ehab Allam has gone on record to clarify several numbers involved and stated the case for the SMC, until someone contests those numbers and claims that things are not as stated, then I've no reason to think they're wrong.
Adam needs to state his case, he should have done so already.'"
For an ex City board Mod, you appear to be incredibly hard of reading.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"He can't, not without contravening a confidentiality clause and potentially jeopardising our tenancy of the KC'"
He's been invited to bin any confidentially agreement and reveal everything.
Even a statement saying he wasn't responding due to the confidentiality agreement would be a start.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"For an ex City board Mod, you appear to be incredibly hard of reading.'"
There's nothing wrong with my ability to read, fortunately I'm not hindered by wearing blinkers.
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| Quote ="Lambrettaman"He's been invited to bin any confidentially agreement and reveal everything.
Even a statement saying he wasn't responding due to the confidentiality agreement would be a start.'"
He's been invited in the press by someone who may very well not have the authority to make the offer. Frankly I'd rather he didn't risk our tenancy on such tenuous grounds. Oh - and some confidentiality clauses include a ban on even mentioning their existence.
There's also the matter, pointed out by the club's Media Manager last night, that nobody from the SMC or Council has been in direct contact with FC about any of this. So it seems to me that not responding to a media rant is the professional - and wise - thing to do.
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| Quote ="Lambrettaman"There's nothing wrong with my ability to read, fortunately I'm not hindered by wearing blinkers.'"
I find that people who constantly refer to others wearing blinkers generally have problems with the concept of evidence-based arguments.
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| Quote ="dazed78"wont matter , City will leave the stadium within a few years anyway regardless of league position ... a number of east Yorkshire businesses have promised investment , planning permission given .. its only a matter of when .. not if .. the SMC being "given" to the council is the start .. the allams are playing a blinder here .. basically walking away with the best face they can ,,, Its sad its got to this but business is business it seems'"
Well enjoy travelling to Melton to watch city, as a city fan myself I certainly won't be going to watch them if there moved to Melton I don't think Allam realises how many casual floating fans he will lose by moving to Melton.
But personally I think your talking rubbish.
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