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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""The back three (Logan Moy, Lewis Martin, and Harvey Barron) all did well; they've all progressed, and we've got some good young players and a lot of experienced pros now in there. There are all associated to Richie and John, [uwhich is going to put a bit of pressure on them[/u. John has virtually, from the Jordan Abdull signing onwards, has had his fingerprints and his signature over all of the signings, and certainly the early ones, Richie knows personally from the dressing room and on the pitch. We know what we're getting, and there's no excuses really."
Pressure on who, Myler & Cartwright? Reads a bit weird that.'"
It's not written well but I've interpreted it as pressure on anyone who isn't a Myler/Cartwright signing so players who've been there a while
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| Quote ="DSJ1983"Another article in the HDM with AP talking about green shoots, how they’ve added leadership, competitive squad and talking up the coach etc. Not complaining as he’s got to do it at season ticket time but just doesn’t strike me as a man who’s sold up.'"
Quote ="UllFC"Yes I also getting that sinking feeling he's still captain of the ship.'"
I am sure we are all still hearing rumours. I've heard five this week ranging from him staying and there is no investment all the way to him selling up and leaving the club altogether. Have to agree that reading his comments this week in particular that it sounds like he's staying. But I'm still not ruling anything out. Perhaps he's sold up the majority of his stake and is remaining as CEO (that's another rumour I heard) which would require him still being a spokesperson for the club?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""The back three (Logan Moy, Lewis Martin, and Harvey Barron) all did well; they've all progressed, and we've got some good young players and a lot of experienced pros now in there. There are all associated to Richie and John, [uwhich is going to put a bit of pressure on them[/u. John has virtually, from the Jordan Abdull signing onwards, has had his fingerprints and his signature over all of the signings, and certainly the early ones, Richie knows personally from the dressing room and on the pitch. We know what we're getting, and there's no excuses really."
Pressure on who, Myler & Cartwright? Reads a bit weird that.'"
Yes, that is a bit weird. It sounds to me like he's saying the pressure is on Myler and Cartwright by basically saying they are the ones that have made the signing decisions. It's that last bit that makes me think this: We know what we're getting, and there's no excuses really.
But there shouldn't be pressure on anyone for me given the position we are in. Myler's had a lot of mess to clear up, Cartwright can't be expected to perform miracles, the young players are just that (young), new players need time to adapt and adjust, and we've seen how the existing players that remain have responded to pressure in the past.
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| Quote ="UllFC"It's not written well but I've interpreted it as pressure on anyone who isn't a Myler/Cartwright signing so players who've been there a while'"
My interpretation was the opposite and that the pressure is on any players who Myler & Cartwright have signed together.
These are players that Cartwright believes he can truly trust, therefore the pressure is on them to prove that he can and show the traits he believes they have.
It shows how weirdly worded the sentence was when 3 of us have all posted diffrerent answers on who the pressure is deemed to be on.
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Yes, that is a bit weird. It sounds to me like he's saying the pressure is on Myler and Cartwright by basically saying they are the ones that have made the signing decisions. It's that last bit that makes me think this: We know what we're getting, and there's no excuses really.
But there shouldn't be pressure on anyone for me given the position we are in. Myler's had a lot of mess to clear up, Cartwright can't be expected to perform miracles, the young players are just that (young), new players need time to adapt and adjust, and we've seen how the existing players that remain have responded to pressure in the past.'"
Of course there is pressure. If it's another sheetshow of a season due to poor recruitment then those responsible should be held to account
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"I am sure we are all still hearing rumours. I've heard five this week ranging from him staying and there is no investment all the way to him selling up and leaving the club altogether. Have to agree that reading his comments this week in particular that it sounds like he's staying. But I'm still not ruling anything out. Perhaps he's sold up the majority of his stake and is remaining as CEO (that's another rumour I heard) which would require him still being a spokesperson for the club?'"
I can tolerate him staying as CEO if there is investment, while I have growing doubts about his ability, I don't doubt he does try and act in the clubs interest. It's just a lot of bad decisions have been made.
Also if the club contunues to struggles then Thirkhill would simply get a new CEO in anyway.
The key thing is money, it makes the world go round and even with a well coached team I'm not convinced you can win things without marquees now. For example take French, Field and Thompson out of Wigan you've probably got a 3rd/4th placed team not a champion one.
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"I am sure we are all still hearing rumours. I've heard five this week ranging from him staying and there is no investment all the way to him selling up and leaving the club altogether. Have to agree that reading his comments this week in particular that it sounds like he's staying. But I'm still not ruling anything out. Perhaps he's sold up the majority of his stake and is remaining as CEO (that's another rumour I heard) which would require him still being a spokesperson for the club?'"
I’m pretty convinced he’s keeping his majority stake and will still be the owner of the club. The ‘investment’ could be anything, I wouldn’t rule out something really underwhelming like some kind of sponsorship or partnership but hopefully it’s someone buying a decent enough chunk of shares to at least cut the penny pinching short term. It’s obvious that the bad decisions are being made out of desperation.
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| If Cartwright has had a say in all of the clubs recruitment i just hope he is a better coach than he is at recruitment.
There is no real quality in there apart from Asiata,certainly no pace and an ageing most likely injury prone squad just lacks excitement.
When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring
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| Quote ="bonaire"When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring'"
Might not be inspiring but it is realistic. Which is a lot better than recent years when he's claimed we'll be challenging for the playoffs only for us to sink further down the table.
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| Quote ="Hasbag"My interpretation was the opposite and that the pressure is on any players who Myler & Cartwright have signed together.
These are players that Cartwright believes he can truly trust, therefore the pressure is on them to prove that he can and show the traits he believes they have.
It shows how weirdly worded the sentence was when 3 of us have all posted diffrerent answers on who the pressure is deemed to be on.'"
Yes, that's how I read it too.
The pressure is on the new recruits to repay the faith the coach and DOR have shown in them by bringing them into the club. I guess the conversation went along the lines of 'we believe you can do a good job for us, come and join us here in rebuilding the club'
People usually respond well if they feel someone has faith in them, let's hope that's the case here, fingers crossed.
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Might not be inspiring but it is realistic. Which is a lot better than recent years when he's claimed we'll be challenging for the playoffs only for us to sink further down the table.'"
Like you say RR, in recent years he's promised a lot but delivered very little.
Maybe he's decided to try the opposite, promise little, damp down expectations (not that any of us have any wild expectations for 2025!!) and then hopefully surprise everyone! The old reverse psychology trick!!
The only way is up, surely!!!
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| Quote ="bonaire"If Cartwright has had a say in all of the clubs recruitment i just hope he is a better coach than he is at recruitment.
There is no real quality in there apart from Asiata,certainly no pace and an ageing most likely injury prone squad just lacks excitement.
When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring'"
We are where we are, unfortunately, and there is no getting away from that fact.
I agree with you that the squad is hardly setting anyone's pulses racing and dreaming of big days out at finals, but we have an awful lot of damage to repair and we have to start somewhere. I think this squad has been put together for the sole purpose of stopping the rot and stopping us going backwards even further. Then we can hopefully address the issue of moving forward again. We are not going to go from 3 wins in 27 to being contenders in one fell swoop, it just doesn't happen that way I'm afraid.
It's probably been very hard to attract anyone half-decent to a club who have been going backwards for seven years now! If I was a RL player of decent quality I'd be looking somewhere else right now for gainful employment, and that's speaking as a die-hard fan of long-standing, but even I would find the club less than tempting at this point in time let alone a decent rugby player in the prime of his years!
I agree that the squad is underwhelming and I think the next twelve months are going to be another hard slog with only the odd afternoon to cheer us up a touch (although hopefully a few more afternoons than this year!) but I'm afraid we are going to have to grit our teeth and bear it. All the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to alter the reality of where we have dug ourselves into.
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| Quote ="BP1"Like you say RR, in recent years he's promised a lot but delivered very little.
Maybe he's decided to try the opposite, promise little, damp down expectations (not that any of us have any wild expectations for 2025!!) and then hopefully surprise everyone! The old reverse psychology trick!!
The only way is up, surely!!!
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It is when you have previously finished bottom
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| Quote ="bonaire"It is when you have previously finished bottom'"
We haven't finished bottom for over sixty years.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"We haven't finished bottom for over sixty years.'"
Don't let facts get in the way of his inane rants. Gunna be a long off season
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| Good to know we might win a few games next season
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"We haven't finished bottom for over sixty years.'"
does finishing second bottom with the same points as the bottom club London make you feel better
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| Quote ="bonaire"does finishing second bottom with the same points as the bottom club London make you feel better'"
Thanks for correcting yourself.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Good to know we might win a few games next season'"
To be fair to him what else can we realistically expect though? We are skint and in 2024 had one of the worst squads SL has ever seen. The only way we’d go straight from where we are now to competing for trophies would be to pluck 5-6 absolute top class players that have been discarded by other SL clubs or are fringe NRL players who suddenly turn world class in the first season. It just isn’t going to happen those players just aren’t available this season.
Leigh are the only team I ever really remember turning competitive in such a short space of time like that. They picked up the likes Hardaker, Charnley, Briscoe, Asiata, Lam, Armone etc in a short space of time post covid and Ipape was just brilliant scouting. This quality of player is not on the market this year. Not getting hammered every week and picking up a few wins is a realistic target for the position we find ourselves in. I’d much prefer the honesty rather than BS from the owner.
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| The new boss is here and sporting some nice new training gear
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Myler's managed to bag three of them!?
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| I can't help but think that some announcements are incoming. It is very radio silent at the moment apart from merchandise and season passes, despite media reports prior to the end of the season about us looking for a hard-working middle, and an outside back, as well as impending takeover or investment - and a fans forum! Got to be quiet for a reason, surely......please!!
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| Quote ="Irregs#16"I can't help but think that some announcements are incoming. It is very radio silent at the moment apart from merchandise and season passes, despite media reports prior to the end of the season about us looking for a hard-working middle, and an outside back, as well as impending takeover or investment - and a fans forum! Got to be quiet for a reason, surely......please!!'"
I'm not that confident
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| Quote ="Irregs#16"I can't help but think that some announcements are incoming. It is very radio silent at the moment apart from merchandise and season passes, despite media reports prior to the end of the season about us looking for a hard-working middle, and an outside back, as well as impending takeover or investment - and a fans forum! Got to be quiet for a reason, surely......please!!'"
The lack of update on the fans forum is the interesting one, its in two weeks and yet nothing has been mentioned since the initial annoucement.
I like to think they are waiting to pair it with a big announcement (New owner/investor, New signing etc). However I also wouldn't be shocked if they have just forgotten about it
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