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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So, not his defence then? Like on Quins 1st try were he shot out the line and left Whiting high and dry! Or their 2nd try when due to his lack of upper body strength he couldn't wrap the player up ball an all to stop him from off loading.'"
He's defence is the same week in week out isn't it..It's what we've come to expect . Oh , And i was talking about his handling.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It [uis[/u a lot bigger than individual players, quite correct. But Hall is one OOC player who's created a debate on here precisely because of the contrast between glimpses of excellence in attack and consistently substandard defence and positioning. Some, like you, continue to claim he's "magical" and it's all Agar's fault. That's your opinion and you're fully entitled to it. Some, like me, think he's been given 60 odd first team games but is still a defensive weak link that well-organised teams, even cellar-dwellers like Quins, can exploit. With 4 players to cover centre already on the books for 2011, I wouldn't give him a new contract.
As I've already said, the acid test of the opinions of the "magical under another coach" group will be how many top 4 clubs are competing for his signature.
Our key problem, as you acknowledge, is the coaching set-up, which is already being debated at length on other threads, and which, IMO is a complete shambles.'"
I think much of the problem for Hall, was they way he was brought in to SL level. He was not eased in like many other teams seem to manage young players.
A bad birth can take a long time to correct, especially if your a confidence player.
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| Hall looked a bit sheepish today at Bev races, half of me wanted to go over and tell him how cack he was on sat. I thought it'd be bad picking on one though when so many are rubbish.
Also saw Kingy supping like mad and eating loads fo chips. Saw Whiting too, looked like he was heading off after 2nd race!
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"Hall looked a bit sheepish today at Bev races, half of me wanted to go over and tell him how cack he was on sat. I thought it'd be bad picking on one though when so many are rubbish.
[uAlso saw Kingy supping like mad [/uand eating loads fo chips. Saw Whiting too, looked like he was heading off after 2nd race!'"
he will have put it on a slate
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| Craig Hall is a confidence player which is plain to see, he is a mentally fragile young kid in fairness and it shows that he does not handle critisism very well and it then translates into his on field which is suffering because of his constant critisism , its a vicious circle the lad is in and he himself I am sure knows his own issues and demons he has to deal with..
Remember He isnt playing in his true slot on the field and when he has he has looked sharp, he is not a future international by any means but he has a lot of quality unutilised at present because of the shuffling of the team each week but certainly not a waste of time and will come good, but it could easily be said of where was his back row to cover him?? he is a young kid and all players develop at different speeds , Craig is a poor tackler yes but he will grow and learn ...
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| Quote ="ashtonwp"I hope he is not playing next week. Had a mare in both defence and attack today. This is not just his first week he has being bad either before anyone says anything.'"
Well, 24 pages down the line and another shocking performance from the player in question, any more people coming round??.........
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Craig Hall is a confidence player which is plain to see, he is a mentally fragile young kid in fairness and it shows that he does not handle critisism very well and it then translates into his on field which is suffering because of his constant critisism , its a vicious circle the lad is in and he himself I am sure knows his own issues and demons he has to deal with..
Remember He isnt playing in his true slot on the field and when he has he has looked sharp, he is not a future international by any means but he has a lot of quality unutilised at present because of the shuffling of the team each week but certainly not a waste of time and will come good, but it could easily be said of where was his back row to cover him?? he is a young kid and all players develop at different speeds , Craig is a poor tackler yes but he will grow and learn ...'"
If a player cannot handle:
a) criticism from the fans
b) playing in a different position to the one he considers his first choice
c) making a tackle
...then he isn't cut out for Superleague.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"If a player cannot handle:
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b) playing in a different position to the one he considers his first choice
c) making a tackle
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Rovers for him then!
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| Still dont think it's fair to single Hally out when the rest of the team is rubbish too. Hally isnt the one showing poor defensive lines speed down the middle and the inability to slow the opposition down single handedly is he?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Still dont think it's fair to single Hally out when the rest of the team is rubbish too. Hally isnt the one showing poor defensive lines speed down the middle and the inability to slow the opposition down single handedly is he?'"
Agree the rest of the team are pants, but Hally defence is that bad other teams are just targeting him now, and I do not go with the confidence card, nor do I blame Agar for Hally's defence it has always being pants...The only time the kid has looked good is in NL1 which is about his level IMO..
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"If a player cannot handle:
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I recal some great players who had similar issues in the past but out of respect will not name them but played in Wembley appearances etc, thank god AB didnt bin them when they had poor patches huh!!
CH is a very young man with great potential albeit maybe somewhat overhyped at times but defensively he does make mistakes thats for sure but its uncanny how the stabbers on here forget the good things that he does too, he knows for sure he isnt playing well at present himself but those with any sense can see he is exposed a lot as well and trys to simply break down attacks by interception rather than head on challenges that he knows himself he cannot win due to his stature , the club and the kid are working on that and he will come good but he is still so young, do not be so eager to discard the likes of Hall and Washbrook who are still just beginning their careers but appear to have been around for ages!! still kids in SL terms and with experience comes guile and know how , in Rugby the hardest most painful lessons are the ones you dont forget .....
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I recal some great players who had similar issues in the past but out of respect will not name them but played in Wembley appearances etc, thank god AB didnt bin them when they had poor patches huh!!
CH is a very young man with great potential albeit maybe somewhat overhyped at times but defensively he does make mistakes thats for sure but its uncanny how the stabbers on here forget the good things that he does too, he knows for sure he isnt playing well at present himself but those with any sense can see he is exposed a lot as well and trys to simply break down attacks by interception rather than head on challenges that he knows himself he cannot win due to his stature , the club and the kid are working on that and he will come good but he is still so young, do not be so eager to discard the likes of Hall and Washbrook who are still just beginning their careers but appear to have been around for ages!! still kids in SL terms and with experience comes guile and know how , in Rugby the hardest most painful lessons are the ones you dont forget .....'"
And Craig Hall is how old!!!
Hardly a teenager is he
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"icon_confused.gif And Craig Hall is how old!!!
Hardly a teenager is he'"
Hardly getting on though is he?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Hardly getting on though is he?'"
I know you rate Hally Dave, and I would love you to be right about him..
However he is old enough to know how to defend and I am sorry but he is a liability and clearly teams are targeting him, it is not as if his defence can be excused because of his offence because that is not happening either..
For me it is like what the club do for Agar, with Hall excuse after excuse, not a f/back, not a winger, playing on wrong side, needs confidence etc etc..
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"Craig Hall is shot as a Hull Fc player, whether or not it's down to coaching, confidence, being moved around position wise. He's too much of a liability, teams are targetting him in attack, his own attacking skills have deserted him. Let him go fror everyone's sanity.'"
Well put in a nutshell, has to go
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"icon_confused.gif And Craig Hall is how old!!!
Hardly a teenager is he'"
In professional Rugby terms he is wet behind both ears and still learning the game !!
Confidence is a disease if you have it you get better and better if you dont then you get worse and worse..
I can guarantee you if the whole stadium gave out a round of " theres only one craig hall" or similar you would see a improved display .. he is only human and its easier to comment about than go into the arena ones self at that level!!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"In professional Rugby terms he is wet behind both ears and still learning the game !!
Confidence is a disease if you have it you get better and better if you dont then you get worse and worse..
I can guarantee you if the whole stadium gave out a round of " theres only one craig hall" or similar you would see a improved display .. he is only human and its easier to comment about than go into the arena ones self at that level!!'"
In rugby league terms it takes 10 years to fully develop and know your trade...maybe Hally was a late starter eh
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"In rugby league terms it takes 10 years to fully develop and know your trade...maybe Hally was a late starter eh
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if we were all the same would life not be a boring place huh, but like I said its easier to comment than enter the arena ones self
I can imagine taking on the likes of Senior is not a happy nights sleep the night before
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| Quote ="EXPRO"if we were all the same would life not be a boring place huh, but like I said its easier to comment than enter the arena ones self
I can imagine taking on the likes of Senior is not a happy nights sleep the night before'"
Well said mate i,d like to see some of the head hunters on here take on some of the seasoned super league players! wonder what sort of a game they,d have!
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| Quote ="Dynamite"Well said mate i,d like to see some of the head hunters on here take on some of the seasoned super league players! wonder what sort of a game they,d have!'"
Hall is hardly a seasoned rugby league player, I have seen better defence at West Hull, Skirlaugh and Myton, believe me when it comes to defence Hall would not stand out.
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Hall is hardly a seasoned rugby league player, I have seen better defence at West Hull, Skirlaugh and Myton, believe me when it comes to defence Hall would not stand out.'"
I didnt say he was read my post again
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| Quote ="Dynamite"I didnt say he was read my post again'"
My mistake..
Mind you pro player should relish the prospect of playing against the best that is what it is all about, that has to be the goal and motivation, sport is about challenges.
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| Quote ="Dynamite"Well said mate i,d like to see some of the head hunters on here take on some of the seasoned super league players! wonder what sort of a game they,d have!'"
How many more chance's do You want Hall to have?,he is killing the side all by himself.
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| Quote ="Dynamite"Well said mate i,d like to see some of the head hunters on here take on some of the seasoned super league players! wonder what sort of a game they,d have!'"
What an utterly ridiculous statement. None of the 'head hunters' on here are being paid to play rugby league.
If you went out for a meal and you complained that your steak was burnt, would you expect the waiter to say, "well you couldn't do any better"? If a person is being paid to do a job and they do it poorly, they can expect those who pay their wages to pass comment.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"What an utterly ridiculous statement. None of the 'head hunters' on here are being paid to play rugby league.
If you went out for a meal and you complained that your steak was burnt, would you expect the waiter to say, "well you couldn't do any better"? If a person is being paid to do a job and they do it poorly, they can expect those who pay their wages to pass comment.'"
But surely we are supposed to sit back and take it because we follow our team in "in any kind of weather" far be it for fans to make observational comments about players or coaches
Back in the Boulevard days we never held back in letting a player know they were having a mare.
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