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i had him as our best player.

Its ok saying Phelps has done nothing wrong but if Mckinnon proves to be a much better player, which Agar obviously thinks he is, then it'll prove to be a quality signing. After all Phelps was only ever a short term solution who wasn't wanted in the 1st place.

So did leeds when they kept kicking the ball behind the defensive line

mckinnon is an improvement on phelps without doubt the only concern for me is his injury record in which phelpsy isnt much better either.

how much more cash will McKinnon be on compared to Phelps?

we will never know but i expect mckinnon to be on more then phelps how much i dont know but thats sport you have to pay more for better players but the problem could be losing strengh in the forwards

Recruitment for 2012 starts early and at the time of the McKinnon signing Phelps was either sat in the stands for large chunks with a dodgy hamstring or not exactly ripping up trees on the pitch. Recently I believe Phelps has been very good but took some winning over.

Hull obviously feel McKinnon is the better full back and thought that the full back position is important enough to prioritise the signing back in May/June.

Although Phelps recent form may beg the question why do we need a new full back think back to earlier in the season when the signing was actually made.

I believe agar wants moa to stay and i believe he will,how much do us fans think he is worth?i cant see the club been held to ransom so my guess him and is agent may have to have a rethink,not as if hes a ogre or fitz is he.

i like moa and hope he stays but i think some on here big him up far to much hes a luxury type of player but someone like ogre is far more important player for the team and deserves the bigger money.

Losing strength in the forwards to bring in backs with the ability to change and win games almost single handedly wouldnt be a bad thing.

Teams know if they can match us in the forwards the game is as good as won because we lack any real quality skill/nous/kicking wise in the key back positions.

Good point about the forwards.....thats why Heremenia????? is a awful signing...we have Obst to cover Houghton along with Washy and Newton as we will Have Horne,Nicklas,Ellis and SEymour as Halves.......So signing him means we are going to lose in the forward dept.

why is mckinnon a stupid signing?, the guy is better then phelps and plays in a very important posistion thats key to having a good attacking team which we clearly need to improve. yes he may be on more money but its about balancing the squad and people in the past and currently slag the club of for spending more money on the forwards and now agar has decided to make sure we have a good players in the spine of the team which we aint had for years but its important we bring in 1 or 2 good english forwards

i know what your saying about heremia and sort of agree, personally i woundt of signed him and would of got a good overseas forward but maybe agar has 1 or 2 good english forwards lined up and is willing to use the quota spot on a good player in a key posistion. again personally i actually think heremia will go well for us and give us a totall diffrent attacking game from hooker but its important we get 1 or 2 good forwards

agree we need to strenghen the key posistion in the pivots but losing fitz and lauaki which it looks like and not replaciong them would have a huge effect and not in a good way.

Which is why I am surprised we havent seen one of Green, Kent or Cunningham play Super League this year so far.

Really looking forward to seeing how this guy goes for us, also how him & Seymour go together with them already knowing each others games.

been saying this all year m8, its ok people on here saying we can start using green, kent ect as replacements and back up for next year but what about if these guys arnt good enough or ready at this level which i hope they are but there untried at super league level and there a huge diffrence from 1st grade and 20s.

heremia gone under the radar a bit in terms of our new recruits becuase some feel he isnt needed and hasnt got the greatest of cvs if you like but i really do think he will go well. hes a attacking hooker that loves to get out and very much play and bring the halfbacks into play like michael monaghan, im not saying hes as good not at all but if he can play in the same way then we will be a better side. people talk about how we sign players who were good but are no more like long ect but this guy is very much in his prime and playing his best rugby

I think a few people are also writing him off because of his time at Leigh, Widnes & Halifax but he's played quite a bit of NRL and also played for NZ since then so he's got to at least be a decent player.

he played championsip over here a few years ago and was quite poor and thats partly why people are writing him off but hes playing well now in the nrl and is the warriors first chioce hooker and was selected for new zealand last year.
our spine of the team for next is looking like
1.mckinnon
6.horne
7.seymour
9.houghton
14.heremia
theres alot more quality there then now and more experince generals if you like to control games

Moa is at the start of his career, who is to say he wont go on to be as god as Ogre/Fitz?

I agree, he is very young for a prop and if he continues to improve has he as done year on year he may well turn out to be just as good. Would be very foolish imo to not put up a fight for his signature.

i agree with all you say,but like i said lyn how much do we value him at?

i hope sam moa stays good youngish prop but the club can only pay so much for him and id like to think the club wont go over board and giving him more then hes worth.

more than Dowes or Radford or Lauaki, that is for certain.