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| Quote ="Kosh"No. Racism is discrimination against an individual or group on the basis of their race or ethnicity.'"
I didn't ask that. Is nationalism illegal?
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Please could you define 'big Muslim concentration'... and who would be included in the head count with regards to booking them a place on the 'train' to the special location where they can send postcards to friends and family
Would that include somebody who was born in a foreign country - or say somebody who was born in the UK and can trace their family tree back to say King Harold but has converted to Islam...
From what I hear the 'left footers' are on the rise and what with it nearly been Nov 5th should we mobalise the troops and send them all back to the Vatican City...
PS - Please accept this an an apology to anybody who is Catholic and that includes my Mum
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Sorry to say he wont understand a word ofwhat you have just said
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| Quote ="denbo63"Perhaps the Chinese over here have fled that regime? Good on them if they have. But like I said, the majority of Chinese people apply themselves to work and create businesses or work damned hard.
As for Sharia law, I've read a big chunk of the Koran ( I confess not all) and especially like the bit about slaying non-believers (infidels).'"
??? Are the Chinese over here on visas or are they just here... Do they all work hard...
For me there are far too many generalsiation in any argument/view that has been put forward to convince me of anything apart from the fact that some people have a dislike for all Muslims due to Sharia Law...
Some people love the Chinnese because most of them work hard... The gang masters really do know how to work hard...
The Jewish boys also come out quite good in this one although I am sure that if they lent a few more 'Skekels' the world recession wouldn't be half as bad as it was... or is it because they lent money and charged interest that we are in this state - some people may want to ask their employer... And for the record the lending of money for interest is against the Islamic faith...
.... but hey what would I know - I follow a team called FC that plays in Black & White...
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"The biggest confirmation on QT last night wasn't the bigotry of Griffin which was totally expected. It was instead the failure of the mainstream parties to accept that it was entirely their fault that Griffin was even there. As I said earlier in the week Griffin is there because of the failure of mainstream parties to address many issues not least the immigration debate which to many people is the main debate in this country. Warsi attempted to claim that Labour has failed to address the immigration issues that affect a good number of the population - which is true - but all parties should shoulder some blame for blindly allowing a lack of debate where the Government can't even measure who is here and who isn't against their suitability for residence.
Listen to Frank Field a Labour MP who knows how it is.'" Probably what I'm trying to say but obviously not that well!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Not supporting them or voting for them is different to not disagreeing with all they say.'"
Indeed. Although TBF the non-racist parts of what they say are pretty mad and you'd have to be daft to agree with them.
Quote ="east hull FC fan"Also, do you not think implying I'm a racist is personal abuse? You're supposed to be a mod aren't you?'"
Where exactly have I implied that you're a racist?
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| Quote ="kathy kirk"Sorry to say he wont understand a word ofwhat you have just said
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Sorry Kathy I do. And he would be right. Any kind of mass deportation would be a minefield and totally stupid and impracticle. Just puzzled where I've apparently said that or said I agreed with such a proposition.....
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"??? Are the Chinese over here on visas or are they just here... Do they all work hard...
For me there are far too many generalsiation in any argument/view that has been put forward to convince me of anything apart from the fact that some people have a dislike for all Muslims due to Sharia Law...
Some people love the Chinnese because most of them work hard... The gang masters really do know how to work hard...
The Jewish boys also come out quite good in this one although I am sure that if they lent a few more 'Skekels' the world recession wouldn't be half as bad as it was... or is it because they lent money and charged interest that we are in this state - some people may want to ask their employer... And for the record the lending of money for interest is against the Islamic faith...
.... but hey what would I know - I follow a team called FC that plays in Black & White...'"
To only fellow Muslims. Can't see that working down at the old Yorkshire Bank can you?
Take a look at a well known prominent Muslim website. Gives advice how to get on in the community, thrive, make friends then gradually infiltrate, influence and take over.
Come on, even someone with your obviously blinkered browser settings can find that site. I dare ya...in fact I double dare ya!
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| Quote ="Kosh"Indeed. Although TBF the non-racist parts of what they say are pretty mad and you'd have to be daft to agree with them.
Where exactly have I implied that you're a racist?'" You implied I agreed with the BNP and am therefore a racist. TBH kosh I'm getting bored of this now. In the first part of your reply you have acknowledged my whole argument and I acknowledge your point of view. Let's just leave it there.
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| Quote ="denbo63"Sorry Kathy I do. And he would be right. Any kind of mass deportation would be a minefield and totally stupid and impracticle. Just puzzled where I've apparently said that or said I agreed with such a proposition.....'"
Thank God or should that be Allah...
So what would you do with the majority of Muslims in a City... Or perhaps you could save me a few hours of reading and inform me and others on the strategy that Nick & Co would employ... Would they be deported or made to go to Church...
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"You implied I agreed with the BNP and am therefore a racist.'"
No I didn't. And I explained how you failed to understand what I was saying.
Quote ="east hull FC fan"Let's just leave it there.'"
Fine.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Here's your hero's letter of complaint to the BBC:
Dear Auntie
Firstly, you know me, I'm not usually one to moan but I feel you should know about what happened on my last visit.
You weren't around at the time but your friend, Mr David Dumbledore or something like that, was in charge of looking after me. Now I know he's a good friend of yours and whenever I've seen him he is usually a nice man but that wasn't the case last night.
He told me he'd arranged a little show, he said it was a bit like "Animal, Vegetable or Mineral", well it was nothing of the sort, it was more like a game of charades. There were lots of people there, all sitting in rows, like at the magic lantern shows. Mr Dumbledore had me and what were obviously three of his very good friends, sit at a table and the people in the audience were supposed to ask a question and then we were supposed to guess what they were talking about. We were all supposed to take it in turns but when my turn came, Mr Dumbledore's friends started picking on me. It just wasn't fair. Not only did I get all the hard questions (much harder than the others), the others started asking me questions too, without even answering their own.
I didn't enjoy last night but that doesn't mean I wont visit again. I'd love to come back but not if that nasty Mr Dumbledore and his friends are around.
So please Auntie, on my next visit can we play one of the parlour games that I do enjoy, like "Pinning the Blame on the Muslim"?
Your loving nephew
Nicky'"
You passed your 11+ got into Hull Grammer School and got yourself expelled - Bloody Hell Dave if only - you are a wordster- Have you wasted your time
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I understand how you have such opinions, simply because you havent had contact time with other cultures. My problem is that from your uninformed stance, you try to justify your claims (much like Mr Griffin lastnight)
for example, you quote the Koran as a:3layhbyxdvocating the killing of non-believers (infidels):3layhbyx. As a stand alone comment this is very aggressive and can stir emotions.
However the context of the statement is such that you will see that this verse refers to the pagan tribes that had made peace treaties with the Muslims and then broken them by hostile acts towards the Muslims.
If you are going to quote - please use them in the correct context. thats only fair!
your only contact time with other cultures is through the media (TV, Internet, Radio))
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Thank God or should that be Allah...
So what would you do with the majority of Muslims in a City... Or perhaps you could save me a few hours of reading and inform me and others on the strategy that Nick & Co would employ... Would they be deported or made to go to Church...'"
I wouldn't know. NOT being a member of the BNP merely a concerned citizen who's worried about the future of his country.
Or is that politically incorrect as well now?
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| Quote ="denbo63"I didn't ask that. Is nationalism illegal?'"
As far as I'm aware there isn't even a legal definition of nationalism.
Your definition of racism is wrong though.
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| Quote ="denbo63"To only fellow Muslims. Can't see that working down at the old Yorkshire Bank can you?
Take a look at a well known prominent Muslim website. Gives advice how to get on in the community, thrive, make friends then gradually infiltrate, influence and take over.
Come on, even someone with your obviously blinkered browser settings can find that site. I dare ya...in fact I double dare ya!'"
Heck - the Yorkshire Bank - would that be the one which is owned by a foreign bank...
So now it is only a few Muslims... why not just say that 'I am very concerned with a small minority of individuals who are trying to impose their beliefs and this is causing me and few fellow chaps a little upset' - then you can go on and present a clear and well balanced point - but to simply say Muslims really doesn't do it...
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| Quote ="denbo63"I wouldn't know. NOT being a member of the BNP merely a concerned citizen who's worried about the future of his country.
Or is that politically incorrect as well now?'"
As I was born in Cyprus - already stated... I am very aware of the worries of a country - but this doesn't mean that I hate all Turks.. but hey they are Muslims so you could add them to your list...
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| Quote ="denbo63"I wouldn't know. NOT being a member of the BNP merely a concerned citizen who's worried about the future of his country.
Or is that politically incorrect as well now?'" If you're worried about certain elements coming into our country and trying to press their views on us, you should maybe look closer to home in that we and the Americans are doing exactly the same to other countries, just in a different way!
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| Quote ="ExiledFromHull"DENBO
I understand how you have such opinions, simply because you havent had contact time with other cultures. My problem is that from your uninformed stance, you try to justify your claims (much like Mr Griffin lastnight)
for example, you quote the Koran as advocating the killing of non-believers (infidels). As a stand alone comment this is very aggressive and can stir emotions.
However the context of the statement is such that you will see that this verse refers to the pagan tribes that had made peace treaties with the Muslims and then broken them by hostile acts towards the Muslims.
If you are going to quote - please use them in the correct context. thats only fair!
your only contact time with other cultures is through the media (TV, Internet, Radio): now they are unlikely to comment on my parents daily activities - because if they did, you'd think that all Asians got up at 6am, went for run, drove to work, went for an afternoon swim in haltemprice, then watched TV - if this was the case - youre only opinion of Asians would be normal folk, with no concerns.
Unfortunately, your image of Asians is clouded by media sources as us being, rapists, immoral and pedalling the word of Allah, and using the Koran as justification to kill those who do not 'believe'!!!!!
Not all us 'foreigners' are nice people, we have our bad eggs - but its not like you 'indigenous' folk are law abiding folk too - Fred West, Peter Sutcliffe, etc etc etc.
imagine if we tarred all you 'aryans' with the same brush as you do to us - would you like to treated the same as jamie Bulgers or Baby P's killers - simply because we couldnt be d to look a little deeper?
(p.s. i'm an Asian brought up in West Hull. I grew up from the age of 5 in Hessle, and my dad worked at BAe for the best part of 30yrs. So i know what the people of Hull can be like oth good and bad!)'"
And you would be wrong.
Ask around on here and you will find that there's only one continent I haven't visited and that's antarctica. Been to around 40 countries worldwide and always done my best to behave how the locals would expect. Show me where I have said every immigrant is bad. You can't.
Show me where I've said they should all go home. You can't.
It's a simple fact this country is full.
I know what you are saying but where have I said where every Muslim is bad. I haven't. Only the extremists, but pardon me for being concerned but the tendency for terrorism doesn't take prisoners, neither does a bomb. As demonstrated in London. Which incidentally killed people of many colours, creeds, faiths. What I DO disagree with is letting them reside here and people being wishy washy and letting people that clearly hate Western civilization stay.
You are obviously an example of how things should be. Reasoned debate in the language of the country you were brought up in and reside in. With that my friend I do not have a single solitary problem.
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Heck - the Yorkshire Bank - would that be the one which is owned by a foreign bank...
So now it is only a few Muslims... why not just say that 'I am very concerned with a small minority of individuals who are trying to impose their beliefs and this is causing me and few fellow chaps a little upset' - then you can go on and present a clear and well balanced point - but to simply say Muslims really doesn't do it...'"
The Yorkshire Bank is owned by Australians. I used it as an example. HSBC...NatWest...If wouldn't lend to Muslims would be castigated if not shut down.
Where's this few come from? Quote it or shut up stupid person.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"BTW do you agree with the BNP's policies of the reintroduction of capital punishment and national service or "armed citizenry" whereby adults who have completed a period of military service are allowed to keep in their homes an assault rifle and ammunition?'"
I agree with the first 2 for sure
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| True, i speak the language of which i reside. I had no choice.
But my folks still speak Punjabi, they wander around Tesco's talking their mother tongue to each other - does that give someone the right to think any less of them or even abuse them?
(which is what sometimes happens)
My parents still speak Punjabi, they still go to temple, my mum will often wear Asian clothes, will celebrate Diwalli, and make Indian food.
To someone borderline racist - this would be enough fuel to begin to hate them, to pedal such lines as 'why should they do that in my country - if they wanna do that they should go back home - ect etc etc"
can you see the situation a few 'solo' acts can have?
It may surprise you that i actually think Nick Griffin was hard done by lastnight. It was a witch hunt, not a political debate. And the people who allowed that to happen should hold their heads in shame.
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| Quote ="denbo63"Probably the fact the Jewish community ( who are renowned for their hard work, same as the Chinese) aren't wanting to impose Sharia Law on the country. Or do you fancy that? You into treating women like crap or something?'"
Wow I was waiting - Sharia Law - chop of their hands - Stone the women - Chop off anything!! Is it any different to Nazis herding Jews into Gas Chambers I think not - Tell them as it is
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| Quote ="denbo63"The Yorkshire Bank is owned by Australians. I used it as an example. HSBC...NatWest...If wouldn't lend to Muslims would be castigated if not shut down.
Where's this few come from? Quote it or shut up stupid person.'"
Now, now - that really isn't the way to behave...
You comments previously stated 'Muslims' and now it is only those who believe in Sharia Law - that really isn't all Muslims...
Not sure that I am stupid... but hey in a democracy we are all entitled to our views and opinions so whilst I will respect your view that I am stupid not sure that I can accept it - no offence intended...
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| Not to sure what the answer is but as an island nation we are about as full as we should get . I am not saying throw people in or out but time to close the gate , and sort out what we have here one way or another
Some times it is hard to make a call but some people feel that they are being drived towards the BNP becaus eno one else will say what needs to be said
The immigration laws need sorting out and the borders controlling
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Now, now - that really isn't the way to behave...
You comments previously stated 'Muslims' and now it is only those who believe in Sharia Law - that really isn't all Muslims...
Not sure that I am stupid... but hey in a democracy we are all entitled to our views and opinions
so whilst I will respect your view that I am stupid not sure that I can accept it - no offence intended...'"
I don't really think you're stupid Cam. You have at least been receptive and given thought to your replies which you honestly believe.
But in this democracy.......where the BNP are fascists etc,,,denying free speech etc..... what exactly were the UAF brigade doing outside the BBC wanting to deny Griffin speaking. They can't have it all ways surely?
Or is that different?
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