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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Well I would say that's who he meant regardless of your silly little play on it. Glad you're confident that you can source replacements it's a great position to be in. Top 4 place beckoning for you next season and at least one major final I should imagine. Nothing to do with Hull FC though so I'll leave it there.'"
Don't know concentrating on this year first, you ought to try it sometime
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| Quote ="scarrie"I quite agree.
My point is there seems to be an expectation that we can just turn up and win rather than having to actually play well to do it.
I do think the gap has narrowed a lot and there isn't all that much to choose between the teams from about 5th-6th downwards (I count us in that group) and if you don't turn up and give it your all you're going to get turned over.'"
Yep and the lesser teams in the division know we have a soft centre and if they come and stick it to us then they have every chance of getting a result.
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| Quote ="scarrie"I quite agree.
My point is there seems to be an expectation that we can just turn up and win rather than having to actually play well to do it.
I do think the gap has narrowed a lot and there isn't all that much to choose between the teams from about 5th-6th downwards (I count us in that group) and if you don't turn up and give it your all you're going to get turned over.'"
I think the expectation is that, if both teams play to somewhere near their full potential, we should win the game. When we turn out crap like we have the last few weeks and lose, a certain amount of frustration is inevitable.
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| Quote ="scarrie"This I think is symptomatic of the club atm.
Why are Wakefield a lesser team? They're certainly playing better and with more enthusiasm than us currently.
There was a woman behind me last night spitting feathers about how we'd lost to Cas and now Wakefield like we've got some right to beat these teams all the time.'"
Nobody has the right to beat anybody, it has to be earned but we are a far bigger club than most in SL. Losing to teams that will struggle to even make the playoffs should be seen as a shock and rightly criticised especially when they didnt even have to do anything special to achieve it.
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| Quote ="vastman"Who says we won't make the play offs - it's that kind of arrogance and dismisiveness that causes Hulls problems in the first place.
If I were a betting man I'd back us ahead of you at the moment
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Well we are currently 3 points ahead of you so I would hope we'll be capable of maintaining that.
Don't get me wrong though, unless we get a confidence injection from somewhere it could turn out to be a close call.
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| Regarding Gentle, where are these excuses he's apparently giving? I haven't heard one. When the paper asks for an interview, and we're in form, what is he supposed to say?? I think the whole "working hard in training to ratify the problem" is the only thing he can say.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I don't think Johnson was better than Lynch and IMO Lynch seems to copping at least some flak for other players failings. Sure he dropped the ball when he shouldn't have done (although I really wish he'd have been at the tap restart near the end and not McDonnell as I'd have fancied him to have taken that pass) and it was poor handling although some credit to the tackler is due. He should have retained possession but I found it refreshing to see a rare line break from a Hull prop in the first place. You're right in your assessment that he is carrying some workload from others and as a result I'd be more than surprised if his stats were not way ahead of any other Hull prop last night. Johnson is one brave player whose effort cannot be questioned but frankly isn't top level - not big enough to break through the line and is regularly mullered in contact if his initial footwork isn't effective. If only we could put Johnson's heart into Watts' body as Watts for me is incapable of concentrating for more than a set and his pathetic positioning and defence in the middle for their break late on was nowhere near SL standard. Watts' failings are far more to do with a lack of intensity and desire than the bit of weight he's lost and that can be said for a couple of others in the past three or four weeks.'"
I agree that Johnson isn't top level, whereas Lynch is (or can be), but I did think that he was better than Lynch last night. I don't think there was a great deal in it as I don't think that any of the props played well all round, I mainly disagreed with you about O'Meley and Lynch being head and shoulders above the rest. I thought Lynch was possibly the slowest of a pathetic set of ptbs. And I didn't think it was just about fatigue last night, either, as it wasn't like last week where he started well and faded, he was fairly constant IMO.
With the knock on, I will give credit for the break, and to the tackler, but as I said the worst thing about it to me was that Lynch looked right at the tackler and thrust straight at him with his ball carrying, only for the ball to pop straight out. If you're going to use your ball carrying arm to absorb the impact you need to make sure you wrap the ball up. For that, in it's own way it was almost as stupid as Westerman's 'offload' against Cas.
With Watts I think his defensive failings are about attitude, but the deterioration in his attacking threat is his weight. He's not having enough impact in the collision to either break tackles or get an offload away. Needs to fix both.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Regarding Gentle, where are these excuses he's apparently giving? I haven't heard one. When the paper asks for an interview, and we're in poop form, what is he supposed to say?? I think the whole "working hard in training to ratify the problem" is the only thing he can say.'"
Fair point but it's the procession of comments from both Gentle and the players in the media that claim that all of the deficiencies are being tackled and 'worked on in training' that are wearing very thin as time and again we see the same deficiencies appear on matchday. I agree he's limited in what he can say but I think a ban on all players talking to the media until the end of the season and a bit of a siege mentality woudn't go amiss. That would require a close knit approach from the squad of players and despite being told to the contrary we don't look a particularly close bunch to me. As was pointed out by someone else the reaction to the McDonnell spear tackle was pathetic from our lot IMO.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Fair point but it's the procession of comments from both Gentle and the players in the media that claim that all of the deficiencies are being tackled and 'worked on in training' that are wearing very thin as time and again we see the same deficiencies appear on matchday. I agree he's limited in what he can say but I think a ban on all players talking to the media until the end of the season and a bit of a siege mentality woudn't go amiss. [i=#0000BFThat would require a close knit approach from the squad of players and despite being told to the contrary we don't look a particularly close bunch to me.[/i As was pointed out by someone else the reaction to the McDonnell spear tackle was pathetic from our lot IMO.'"
This bit concerns and puzzles me, because just a few weeks ago we [idid[/i look like a close-knit bunch. You have to wonder what's gone wrong in that regard since. Although it could be tied up with the poor form / lack of confidence thing.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Fair point but it's the procession of comments from both Gentle and the players in the media that claim that all of the deficiencies are being tackled and 'worked on in training' that are wearing very thin as time and again we see the same deficiencies appear on matchday. I agree he's limited in what he can say but I think a ban on all players talking to the media until the end of the season and a bit of a siege mentality woudn't go amiss. That would require a close knit approach from the squad of players and despite being told to the contrary we don't look a particularly close bunch to me. As was pointed out by someone else the reaction to the McDonnell spear tackle was pathetic from our lot IMO.'"
Spot on. It's 'put up or shut up' time.
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| Quote ="Kosh"This bit concerns and puzzles me, because just a few weeks ago we [idid[/i look like a close-knit bunch. You have to wonder what's gone wrong in that regard since. Although it could be tied up with the poor form / lack of confidence thing.'"
Looking from the outside, the only thing that has changed is that we have started getting players back from injury. Could it be that we did have a backs to the wall/doing it hard mentality which has now gone?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Fair point but it's the procession of comments from both Gentle and the players in the media that claim that all of the deficiencies are being tackled and 'worked on in training' that are wearing very thin as time and again we see the same deficiencies appear on matchday. I agree he's limited in what he can say but I think a ban on all players talking to the media until the end of the season and a bit of a siege mentality woudn't go amiss. That would require a close knit approach from the squad of players and despite being told to the contrary we don't look a particularly close bunch to me. As was pointed out by someone else the reaction to the McDonnell spear tackle was pathetic from our lot IMO.'"
A ban on speaking to the media would probably be a good thing, or would we be complaining that we aren't hearing anything from the club again? Swings and roundabouts.
Still, not buying that Gentle is making excuses. He said on Humberside last night he is taking just as much responsibility as anyone for their dip in form.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"It looks like our run of defeats is helping the dobbins fans take their minds off the dismantling of their team...'"
Posting about us again #obsessed
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| Quote ="10-5"Posting about us again
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| Feels like 2005 to me.Putting all our eggs in one basket and concentrating on the cup.
I'm hoping we end up with the same result
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| No doubt this slump is disappointing and it hurts, but let's not forget the 9 or 10 games previous to this. We will hit form again, hopefully when it matters. There's nothing serious to worry about unlike a lot of clubs.
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| I think hull have gone.
Peaked in round 17 , far too early.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"With Watts I think his defensive failings are about attitude, but the deterioration in his attacking threat is his weight. He's not having enough impact in the collision to either break tackles or get an offload away. Needs to fix both.'"
Just out of interest, has Watts lost weight because of a coaching decision to try to improve his speed and agility?
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| just wondered what people make of ellis form? hes tackling well but no real go forward, expected more from him in this area,or maybe ive only noticed that because where crap atm,
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| Quote ="hull2524"just wondered what people make of ellis form? hes tackling well but no real go forward, expected more from him in this area,or maybe ive only noticed that because where crap atm,'"
Tackles like a machine, but not yet had a long run of games. I'm sure Miller can help his attacking game.
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| We've won 5 of the 7 games he's played for us and if Tickle had started last night it'd have been 6 out of 7.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Just out of interest, has Watts lost weight because of a coaching decision to try to improve his speed and agility?'"
Not sure, but if it was that it hasn't worked. Now built more like a backrower and getting wrapped up far too easily.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Tackles like a machine, but not yet had a long run of games. I'm =#0000FFsure Miller can help his attacking game.'"
Thought there were 2 or 3 moments where that nearly started to show last night, one of the very few, very slight, bright signs.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Thought there were 2 or 3 moments where that nearly started to show last night, one of the very few, very slight, bright signs.'"
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| actually thought the kid tackled well, wakey targeted him but he stop up well
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