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| Quote ="PAUL M"We should be beating most sides at home imo.'"
Are you sure? Maybe you could qualify that by telling us which sides we shouldn't be looking to beat at home
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Thats a bit unfair to Cas mate. They look a really good team this year.'"
I'm not being disrespectful to cas, merely stating a fact. the team with the gretaer resources and the higher salary cap spend should win 9 times out of 10 all other things being equal
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'm not being disrespectful to cas, merely stating a fact. the team with the gretaer resources and the higher salary cap spend should win 9 times out of 10 all other things being equal'"
It was the last part about nothing special about cas which seemed a little disrespectful.
Saying that, fans of other clubs shouldn't take offence when we back our own club at home against any side. It's not that we're saying their a small club etc etc it's more than we're saying we should be winning our home games against every team in SL.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"It was the last part about nothing special about cas which seemed a little disrespectful.
Saying that, fans of other clubs shouldn't take offence when we back our own club at home against any side. It's not that we're saying their a small club etc etc it's more than we're saying we should be winning our home games against every team in SL.'"
Do you think cas are special? I think they have one special player but other than a good win against hudds they've not really played any of the better teams yet and have probably had the easiest start out of any team in SL. I think they will be in the mix for a 6th to 10th place finish this year like us
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do you think cas are special? I think they have one special player but other than a good win against hudds they've not really played any of the better teams yet and have probably had the easiest start out of any team in SL. I think they will be in the mix for a 6th to 10th place finish this year like us'"
I think looking at their young players like Arundel and the 2 hookers they have the potential to be a real force for some years to come if they can keep hold of them. I do actually think they play some 'special' rugby and look far better than us with ball in hand.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Cas are in a false position, yet to win away (not counting mm, that's neutral), the fixture list has been kind. I expect us to win by 2 scores.'"
a false position? they have a game in hand and are sitting in 2nd place
i went to see them yesterday and they looked very good indeed. OK so they were playing a stuttering crusaders team but we will have to be on top form to stop Chase and Orr. both of them played well and complement each other and will obviously be full of confidence
it makes me laugh people actually think Cas are a poor team - they are hell of a lot better than us these days
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Are you sure? Maybe you could qualify that by telling us which sides we shouldn't be looking to beat at home'"
Eh?
We should be[i looking[/i (your word) to beat every team we play home or away.
What I said is we should be winning most of our home games, I accept there will be some teams that are significantly better than us regardless of where we play them such as Wigan and Wire.
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| They may have a weaker side on paper but so did Wakey. How many players from that Wakey side or Cas would honestly get in our side?
Maybe the difference is in the coaching and the fact that they have ball handlers and organisers in every pivotal position and all seem to know exactly what theyre doing as a team because of that. Watch the highlights of their trys yesterday, apart from the two halfbacks, Mathers at FB and the young hooker are in everything.
Cas's away form is an unknown at the moment - but we will have to play considerably better than we have been doing to give ourselves a chance here.
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| Chase and Orr both playing really well, alongside their young talent in Milner, Clark and Arundel. Won't be any push over by any measure, especially with their confidence ever growing, but we SHOULD be going into the match confident of winning at home.
This is nothing agaisnt Cas at all, in fact I've been impressed with what I've seen of them this season, however I would be expecting a win at home off the back of a confident end of an away win.
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| IMO we will struggle to match them in the backs, also their half-backs are clearly better than ours
i think it will take a typical hull performance of smashing them down the middle complemented with a good kicking game
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| Quote ="monkeyshoes"i think it will take a typical hull performance of smashing them down the middle =#0040FFcomplemented with a good kicking game'"
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| Quote ="dayvoz"plus we won at the jungle pre-season against a full strength cas'"
We weren't at full strength, McGoldrick was playing
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Cas are in a false position, yet to win away (not counting mm, that's neutral), the fixture list has been kind. I expect us to win by 2 scores.'"
We have only had 1 away game! Hardly a bad run is it?
Forget Chase and Orr, we haven't lost a game this season that Widders has played in
Coincidence? We will see.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Eh?
We should be[i looking[/i (your word) to beat every team we play home or away.
What I said is we should be winning most of our home games, I accept there will be some teams that are significantly better than us regardless of where we play them such as Wigan and Wire.'"
So we [ishould[/i (your word) beat everyone at home other than wigan and wire?
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| Quote ="lummy"They may have a weaker side on paper but so did Wakey. How many players from that Wakey side or Cas would honestly get in our side?
Maybe the difference is in the coaching and the fact that they have ball handlers and organisers in every pivotal position and all seem to know exactly what theyre doing as a team because of that. Watch the highlights of their trys yesterday, apart from the two halfbacks, Mathers at FB and the young hooker are in everything.
Cas's away form is an unknown at the moment - but we will have to play considerably better than we have been doing to give ourselves a chance here.'"
That's the point isn't it?
cas have a decent (although by no means great) coach who is able to get his players playing to a consistently good level. We have one who seems to wring the last drop of enthusiasm and skill out of ours
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"We should be beating you at home because we are a club with much greater resources and are probably spending signififcantly more on our playing squad. The fact is though that we may well not beat you which is more down to incompetence on our part than anything special about cas'"
You spend more on your salary cap buying players from us, whilst we replace them with better players from our youth squad for free. Local players will always give more to their club and that's a fact. That's the reason not 'incompetence'. That said I love Cas Hull games and follow FC as my 2nd team so i wont take no cheap shots. Let the best side win.
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| Quote ="boothdaz"You spend more on your salary cap buying players from us, whilst we replace them with better players from our youth squad for free.'"
Transfer fees don't count on the cap.
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| Quote ="boothdaz"You spend more on your salary cap buying players from us, whilst we replace them with better players from our youth squad for free. Local players will always give more to their club and that's a fact. '"
At the risk of being pedantic transfer fees don't count on the salary cap and i'm really interested to see the research about discretionary effort given by a player to their local club versus playing for a non local club..... fact?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"So we [ishould[/i (your word) beat everyone at home other than wigan and wire?'"
Yes, which is what I said originally. Is there a point to this?
The KC should be a fortress for us, it was for most of last season.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Yes, which is what I said originally. Is there a point to this?'"
I sense Leeds and Wakey will be mentioned in the next reply
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| Quote ="hullbg"I sense Leeds and Wakey will be mentioned in the next reply
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He can mention away. I never said we will I just said a club like us should be looking to win most of their home games. I don't see what point he is trying to make tbh
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"[uCas are in a false position,[/u yet to win away (not counting mm, that's neutral), the fixture list has been kind. I expect us to win by 2 scores.'"
Totally disgaree, and if Rangi Chase is in the mood on Friday he will rip us to bits, bit like he did in our friendly
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Totally disgaree, and if Rangi Chase is in the mood on Friday he will rip us to bits, bit like he did in our friendly
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The friendly that we won?
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| Quote ="Kosh"The friendly that we won?'"
Yes we did win it, however it was no walk in the park and like I stated Rangi Chase scored for sheer fun on several occasions., also our form since that friendly will hardly have Cas quaking will it...the points shipped past us this season so far is shocking and Cas play expansive rugby.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Yes we did win it, however it was no walk in the park and like I stated Rangi Chase scored for sheer fun on several occasions., also our form since that friendly will hardly have Cas quaking will it...the points shipped past us this season so far is shocking and Cas play expansive rugby.'"
I'm fully prepared for us to lose on Friday night, but performances in the pre-season friendly prove nothing one way or the other.
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