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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Quote ="Roam Ranger"Anyone on LinkedIn that can actually verify it's real or fake as some are suggesting? That Karl Brooks has been ranting on pretty much a daily basis for weeks now about AP and seems to have a vendetta against him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him making a fake account like that up to suit his agenda to be honest.'"
As already said, the account is over 10 years old with 500+ connections including Tony Sutton, James Clark, Mike Rush. Also tagged in last year by Hudgell Solicitors. A very elaborate ruse if that's what it is.'"
The comments in the screen shot do not show in AP's comments only one comment that says 'Con man'. There is another from someone else that says 'Go on Adam' which I assume means if those comments were indeed made they've been deleted along with a number of comments from other seemingly disgruntled investors who have said similar.
Seems AP along with many others have invested and looks like they've all been taken for a ride, hence why there are other comments such as scammers, con man etc people other than AP.
Don't see what the fuss is with it to be honest and seem that person posting it really has a vendetta against AP.
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| Asiata interview has been released. Just by the way he talks, we haven't had a leader like that since 2016
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| Quote ="Chris71".Don't see what the fuss is with it to be honest and seem that person posting it really has a vendetta against AP.'"
I completely disagree. Regardless of personal financial loss, using language with sexual violence metaphors and swearing on a public business platform is unprofessional, arrogant and offensive.
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| Quote ="Chris71"The comments in the screen shot do not show in AP's comments only one comment that says 'Con man'. There is another from someone else that says 'Go on Adam' which I assume means if those comments were indeed made they've been deleted along with a number of comments from other seemingly disgruntled investors who have said similar.
Seems AP along with many others have invested and looks like they've all been taken for a ride, hence why there are other comments such as scammers, con man etc people other than AP.
Don't see what the fuss is with it to be honest and seem that person posting it really has a vendetta against AP.'"
I think the problem is the comments were like something youād expect to see over a dispute about a second hand sofa on Facebook marketplace rather then a social media post from an owner of a sports club and supposed successful businessman.
Like I said when it was first doing the rounds, seemed amateurish for a man in his position to rant on social media like that but itās hardly a big deal. Heās obviously deleted it now on second thoughts. Just hope any money heās lost doesnāt affect the club.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I completely disagree. Regardless of personal financial loss, using language with sexual violence metaphors and swearing on a public business platform is unprofessional, arrogant and offensive.'"
Add in the irony of him complaining about destroying a legacy!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Quote ="Chris71".Don't see what the fuss is with it to be honest and seem that person posting it really has a vendetta against AP.'"
I completely disagree. Regardless of personal financial loss, using language with sexual violence metaphors and swearing on a public business platform is unprofessional, arrogant and offensive.'"
Not saying it's right or wrong if those comments have come from AP or that I agree with the alleged comments , I do agree it's unprofessional and a poor choice of wording used, I just don't see the fuss and hysteria that a certain person is creating over it.
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Anyone on LinkedIn that can actually verify it's real or fake as some are suggesting? That Karl Brooks has been ranting on pretty much a daily basis for weeks now about AP and seems to have a vendetta against him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him making a fake account like that up to suit his agenda to be honest.'"
Itās almost as if Pearson & company are getting rid of his mates out of the club. Understandable why heād be upset, loses the inside connection.
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| Wakefield who finished last in 2023 and were rigghly relegated have scored more performance points than Hull, Hudds and Cas for the 2024 season. Full time, superleague salaried squad playing against part time teams and they get rewarded more than super league teams.
So it was better to get relegated, this system is so flawed.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Wakefield who finished last in 2023 and were highly relegated have scored more points than Hull, Hudds and Cas for the 2024 season. Full time, superleague salaried squad playing against part time teams and they get rewarded more than super league teams.
So it was better to get relegated, this system is so flawed.'"
Yeah that is frigging ridiculous. Even all the bluster about Max Jowitt breaking the points record, against part timers for the most part.
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| For reference as bad as our performances have been, we have finished above Wakefield the last 5 seasons or so.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Wakefield who finished last in 2023 and were rigghly relegated have scored more performance points than Hull, Hudds and Cas for the 2024 season. Full time, superleague salaried squad playing against part time teams and they get rewarded more than super league teams.
So it was better to get relegated, this system is so flawed.'"
I don't see how a team in a lower league can score more performance points than a team in SL no matter how bad they have been. How can a promoted team get anything more than say a maximum of 1 to 2 performance pts in terms of the grading as the 2 leagues are poles apart. As you say Dave they were a full time full on pro team playing in a lower league against part time teams.
This for me shows once again the IMG grading system offers very little in terms of importance and to actually devalues the whole ideology. .
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| Clearly a totally nonsense system where it pays to be relegated or play in small stadium.
Rugby League really is a joke sport sometimes. We've got a two match test series coming up which was rescheduled due to a player getting married. Can you imagine any other professional sport doing that?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Clearly a totally nonsense system where it pays to be relegated or play in small stadium.
Rugby League really is a joke sport sometimes. We've got a two match test series coming up which was rescheduled due to a player getting married. Can you imagine any other professional sport doing that?'"
I agree.
Wakefield will have a lower league performance than Hull, however will have scored additional points for winning the 1895 Cup and the Championship Grand Final. They can not win those points next season (unless they will the Challenge Cup and SL Grand Final), so will lose those points next season.
I think their new owner is doing a good job at Wakefield and their new stand is long over due. However, one major flaw with the IMG points is that clubs like Wakefield, Cas and Rovers get rewarded for having a poorer, smaller ground, as it is better utilised (ave crowd v capacity).
Any team averaging 7,500* gets the same crowd score. No bonuses if you can attract 20,000, or if all your ground is under cover.
Itās mad, but Hull would score more points if we owned our own 8,000 stadium and sold out every week, as opposed to having the best ground in SL and accommodating in comfort, every home and away fan who wants to go to the game.
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| The deal with IMG seems to be getting more ridiculous with every passing month . And the RFL are paying nearly half a million for the privilege .
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Personally, I still think people need to give IMG time. The sport has been badly mismanaged for years. IMG were always coming in for a long term strategy. Whether that works or not is something that we won't know for some time to come. It's the same with the club, both are going to take time to fix. Expecting a magic wand from IMG for the sport and Myler for the club is unrealistic.
I do, however, agree that things like the quota and salary cap need looking at. There's that many dispensations and allowances now (and more upcoming) that it's pretty clear that there's plenty of clubs that want more overseas players than the quota allows and want to spend more than the cap allows. Which says to me that the existing rules don't work anymore.'"
Paying IMG nearly Ā£500,000 per year for 10 years to do what exactly?
You are correct the sport has been mismanaged but this deal with IMG will go down in history as the biggest blunder the RFL have ever made.
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| Think I might retract my earlier comment about IMG...
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| Quote ="bonaire"Paying IMG nearly Ā£500,000 per year for 10 years to do what exactly?
You are correct the sport has been mismanaged but this deal with IMG will go down in history as the biggest blunder the RFL have ever made.'"
Surely that was the Stobart lorries?
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"Surely that was the Stobart lorries?
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Thats up there for incompetence but it didnt cost money like Ā£500000 per year..
Mind you i wouldnt be surprised if Stobart got the RFL to pay for the paint jobs on the trailers
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| Stobart deal
Papa John's sponsorship with clubs only getting paid in pizza
Not making the most of opportunities in London, Toronto and Toulouse
Buying the lease to a big hole in the ground in Bradford
Continuing with loop fixtures
Not capitalising on the success of the 2013 world cup
Worldwide talent search for a new CEO that led to someone from inside the organisation getting the role
There's lots of mistakes from the rfl that meant they had to get IMG involved, if IMG weren't involved, you wouldn't have seen clubs like Cas and Wakey making long overdue improvements, the playoffs and grand final seemed to have more media coverage than previous years....I think the stadium capacity is a fair point, our games would have a far better atmosphere if we had a 10k crowd in a 12k stadium rather than 10k in a 25k stadium
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| While itās frustrating, I reckon at the moment we score between around 0.4-0.5 from a possible max of 1 point for stadium utilisation, no reason we couldnāt average around 15K if we had a competing side, that would take us to 0.6 points, I doubt IMG will be around for another 3 year cycle but thatās not the point.
For perspective after a quick look at last years attendances as a rough average it looks like Leeds (highest overall graded side initially) will score around 0.6-7 for the same criteria. Wigan will be around 0.5-6, Saints around 0.7 of a point. Those are the benchmark clubs, I doubt theyāll be too bothered about not getting the full point. Rovers will likely score near the full 1 point, but theyād still love a bigger ground though and Iām sure theyād sacrifice 0.2 of a point for extra revenue.
Long winded post but the point being that the reason we are not a grade A club is mostly down to poor performance on the field and horrendous salary cap management. Get the other stuff right thatās within our control and missing out on a max 0.75% of a single point on the stadium becomes much less significant.
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| With regards the IMG gradings, I would hope there is another phase of grading in the next 3 years.
I think all SL clubs should have a min capacity of 12k with the aim getting clubs towards 15k in the future. There is no point in just growing the game on social media, clubs need to keep growing the number of fans attending games.
SL crowds across the board are actually a lot healthier across the board than league attendances in the 80ās and 90ās. Challenge Cup and Play Off crowds struggle more.
Also there should be attention given to clubs who run Academies. Itās great that there has been ground improvements with scoreboards and advertising boards, but Iām still amazed player development has been ignored as is needed to sustain the future of the game.
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He really is insulting our intelligence now...cuts back on back room staff now complaining that we've had to pay high medical bills as a result.
And where's the update on the covid loan payoff? And the takeover/investment? This bloke is taking us for a ride now, he'll shut up again after next weekend when the pass deadline has gone
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He really is insulting our intelligence now...cuts back on back room staff now complaining that we've had to pay high medical bills as a result.
And where's the update on the covid loan payoff? And the takeover/investment? This bloke is taking us for a ride now, he'll shut up again after next weekend when the pass deadline has gone
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| Dan turning off comments on the article too, embarrassing really.
Just glad to see people are starting to realise the damage AP has done.
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| Carty here by the end of the week.
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