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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"If your theory is correct, are you saying we suddenly found our confidence after 60 mins today, I personally felt after the 2 close defeats and then his interview in hdm afterwards stating we have to get bsck to basics, thats exactly what hes done, think it caused a bit of a rift in camp, hence the widness performance, followed by changing room fiasco. Radford under pressure, played it safe in the wakefield game, continued that for 60 mins today, before sending the message out to scrap the saftey first tactics. Makes more sense to me, then the players all off a sudden finding their confidence 60 mins into a game, when getting beat 20 zip.'"
You're entitled to think what you like but IMO that's straying into tinfoil hat levels of extrapolation from the available information. |
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| Quote ="Kosh"It makes less sense that a coach would look at our first two win and decide to completely change the way we play.'"
Agree.
Quote ="Kosh"I [isuspect[/i that the players got carried away and took Cas too lightly. Losing that game they way they did dented their confidence, and that was further exacerbated by the Wigan defeat. Then the Widnes fiasco happened.
Everything that the senior players and Radford have said in public indicates that the team has not been following the game play set out by the coaching staff. Radford's description of [ihow[/i he told the players to open up today further strengthens the feeling that this has been the case. [uOn the flip side I haven't seen a single convincing argument for Radford suddenly adopting a conservative game plan.[/u'"
But according to the interview bonaire heard Radford himself said he sent the instruction down to throw caution to the wind for the last 20 minutes. Indicating that caution was the instruction up to that point.
Certainly something seems to have changed after Cats but I don't understand why Radford would instigate that. |
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| Quote ="WormInHand"But none of it makes sense. Why the massive crash in confidence after Catalans? It would indicate that [isomething[/i changed behind the scene.'"
Maybe another imaginary coup is evolving? |
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Agree.
But according to the interview bonaire heard Radford himself said he sent the instruction down to throw caution to the wind for the last 20 minutes. Indicating that caution was the instruction up to that point.
Certainly something seems to have changed after Cats but I don't understand why Radford would instigate that.'"
Aaarrrggghhhh!
What Radford said was that he PLEADED with the players to be more Ad Hoc. That actually [istrengthens[/i the argument that they haven't been following the game plan. Of course, the question then becomes why he couldn't get them to follow the plan in the first place... |
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Oh - and Radford has been quoted in the Mail saying that he wants us to play more expansive rugby as well...
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| Quote ="Kosh"You're entitled to think what you like but IMO that's straying into tinfoil hat levels of extrapolation from the available information.'"
So is, all off a sudden someone switched the confidence switch on and we start playing decent confident rugby, somethings gone on, whatever it is I hope it continues into monday. Available information? Dont you think watching the games backs my point up at all , as looked pretty obvious to me that weve gone with a saftey first approach the last few games |
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I can honestly say like many I thought when we went 20 down all i was thinking was dont get nilled.Not at the races at all then unstoppable. Many on here after the Widnes game said Radford never has a plan B today he did we won and gets no credit for it from some. Regardless how we won and whats gone on so far if we was given 4th at this stage before the season started we would have took it and be more than happy.Monday will be a different game and it would not surprise me if we won.See the very poor Wakey side took the Giants to bits not that poor then ... Giants Coach or players fault??
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"So is, all off a suddend soneone switched the confidence switch on and we start playing decent confident rugby, somethings gone on, whatever it is I hope it continues into monday. Available information? Dont you think watching the games backs my point up at all , as looked pretty obvious to me that weve gone with a saftey first approach the last few games'"
No. What happened today, IMO, is that with nothing to lose the players decided to give it a go when Radford PLEADED with them to do so. They were in a position where playing conservatively couldn't possibly get them anywhere.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Aaarrrggghhhh!
What Radford said was that he PLEADED with the players to be more Ad Hoc. That actually [istrengthens[/i the argument that they haven't been following the game plan. Of course, the question then becomes why he couldn't get them to follow the plan in the first place...'"
I didn't hear the interview, no need to scream. So bonaire interpreted it wrong, then?
Your last sentence is pertinent. It was almost as if a switch was flicked this afternoon at the 60 minute mark. If Radford had pleaded with them to be expansive all match it would indicate the initiative to envoke the change came from the people on the pitch. Which is encouraging, but why not do it from minute one, as you say? |
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| Quote ="Wizard crane"I can honestly say like many I thought when we went 20 down all i was thinking was dont get nilled.Not at the races at all then unstoppable. Many on here after the Widnes game said Radford never has a plan B today he did we won and gets no credit for it from some. Regardless how we won and whats gone on so far if we was given 4th at this stage before the season started we would have took it and be more than happy.Monday will be a different game and it would not surprise me if we won.See the very poor Wakey side took the Giants to bits not that poor then ... Giants Coach or players fault??'"
Good post, im happy to be 4th, obviously with the likes of leeds, hudds, saints, cats struggling the start of the season as helped, hopefulky still be in around the 4th spot come the split |
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| Quote ="Kosh"No. What happened today, IMO, is that with nothing to lose the players decided to give it a go when Radford PLEADED with them to do so. They were in a position where playing conservatively couldn't possibly get them anywhere.
And I'm not arguing that we haven't been playing safety first. I'm arguing that this was not an instruction from the coaching staff.'"
Thats more tinhat then my version, how the hell does radford plead with them 20 mins into second half! The players must of misunderstood the coaches instructions then, because I cant believe the players would choose to play like the last few weeks. The body language of the players looked noticable better in them last 20 today, the players looked happy the reigns had been released. Like I said whatever happened, long may it continue |
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it seemed that last 20 min the players gained an extra yard of pace and looked a half decent team, anyway the result made my day COYH
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Quote ="Kosh"No. What happened today, IMO, is that with nothing to lose the players decided to give it a go when Radford PLEADED with them to do so. They were in a position where playing conservatively couldn't possibly get them anywhere.
And I'm not arguing that we haven't been playing safety first. I'm arguing that this was not an instruction from the coaching staff.'"
Its in the HDM now
A jubilant Lee Radford believes playing with freedom allowed Hull FC to come back from the dead in the last quarter to stun local rivals Hull KR to win 22-20.
The Black and Whites looked lost and in disarray down 20 points on the hour mark, before Jamie Shaul's long-range try sparked one of the best comebacks in Hull derby history.
Radford admits the coaching staff implored Hull's forwards to utilise a more ad-lib style of play in the last 20 minutes, with FC seemingly out of the contest.
This led to some incredible tries, with Scott Taylor, Liam Watts and Mahe Fonua all coming up with huge offloads to help Hull steal the victory.
Read more: www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... z43wRBQuCL
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Quote ="Kosh"No. What happened today, IMO, is that with nothing to lose the players decided to give it a go when Radford PLEADED with them to do so. They were in a position where playing conservatively couldn't possibly get them anywhere.
And I'm not arguing that we haven't been playing safety first. I'm arguing that this was not an instruction from the coaching staff.'"
Its in the HDM now
A jubilant Lee Radford believes playing with freedom allowed Hull FC to come back from the dead in the last quarter to stun local rivals Hull KR to win 22-20.
The Black and Whites looked lost and in disarray down 20 points on the hour mark, before Jamie Shaul's long-range try sparked one of the best comebacks in Hull derby history.
Radford admits the coaching staff implored Hull's forwards to utilise a more ad-lib style of play in the last 20 minutes, with FC seemingly out of the contest.
This led to some incredible tries, with Scott Taylor, Liam Watts and Mahe Fonua all coming up with huge offloads to help Hull steal the victory.
Read more: www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... z43wRBQuCL
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I can take defeats if we are at least trying to play rugby.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry today. We proved we can play rugby when we want to, and makes the first sixty minutes all the more baffling. And frustrating.
I hope this is a turning point and we play in a less structured way (attack wise) from hereonin. We have the players to do it.
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Quote ="bonaire"Its in the HDM now
A jubilant Lee Radford believes playing with freedom allowed Hull FC to come back from the dead in the last quarter to stun local rivals Hull KR to win 22-20.
The Black and Whites looked lost and in disarray down 20 points on the hour mark, before Jamie Shaul's long-range try sparked one of the best comebacks in Hull derby history.
Radford admits the coaching staff implored Hull's forwards to utilise a more ad-lib style of play in the last 20 minutes, with FC seemingly out of the contest.
This led to some incredible tries, with Scott Taylor, Liam Watts and Mahe Fonua all coming up with huge offloads to help Hull steal the victory.
Read more: www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... z43wRBQuCL
Follow us: @hulldailymail on Twitter | HullDailyMail on Facebook'"
Thank you, bonaire.
Still none the wiser then as to what the official game plan was before the 60 minute mark. Although the inference is that if they were implored to be more ad-lib for the last 20, they were instructed to be more cautious for the first hour.
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Quote ="bonaire"Its in the HDM now
A jubilant Lee Radford believes playing with freedom allowed Hull FC to come back from the dead in the last quarter to stun local rivals Hull KR to win 22-20.
The Black and Whites looked lost and in disarray down 20 points on the hour mark, before Jamie Shaul's long-range try sparked one of the best comebacks in Hull derby history.
Radford admits the coaching staff implored Hull's forwards to utilise a more ad-lib style of play in the last 20 minutes, with FC seemingly out of the contest.
This led to some incredible tries, with Scott Taylor, Liam Watts and Mahe Fonua all coming up with huge offloads to help Hull steal the victory.
Read more: www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC- ... z43wRBQuCL
Follow us: @hulldailymail on Twitter | HullDailyMail on Facebook'"
Thank you, bonaire.
Still none the wiser then as to what the official game plan was before the 60 minute mark. Although the inference is that if they were implored to be more ad-lib for the last 20, they were instructed to be more cautious for the first hour.
So the question remains - why? After our miraculous and incautious start to the season? | |
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FFS just enjoy the win. We've only got 72 hours before Warrington hammer us.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Although the inference is that if they were implored to be more ad-lib for the last 20, they were instructed to be more cautious for the first hour.'"
No. No it isn't. Just the opposite, in fact. Why would you need to [iimplore [/ia side to change to a playstyle that they allegedly prefer and have only abandoned on strict instructions from the coach?
Implore means to plead, BTW. As per my previous statements.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"FFS just enjoy the win. We've only got 72 hours before Warrington hammer us.'"
Quite. There'll be plenty of doom and gloom to go around after Wire finish with us. |
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Yep there will be the knives out come mon if we get beat,
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| Quote ="hull2524"Yep there will be the knives out come mon if we get beat,'"
If? Can't see us winning under any circumstances TBH. I'll be happy not to be embarrassed. |
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| Quote ="hull2524"conspiracy theories kosh'"
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at times I really don't. |
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"FFS just enjoy the win. We've only got 72 hours before Warrington hammer us.'"
Exactly. If you can't allow yourself a little enjoyment of an improbable derby win that takes us to 4th, what's the point? Time enough in a season to be downhearted but tonight's not in that category.  |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Exactly. If you can't allow yourself a little enjoyment of an improbable derby win that takes us to 4th, what's the point? Time enough in a season to be downhearted but tonight's not in that category.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"If you read the top clubs' forums when they play crap and win their fans don't blink an eye. Some on here wring their hands so hard it must hurt when Hull get out of jail. 4th in a so far competitive league with hopefully improvements to come in the season. Not too bad.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Agreed. Plus, hasn't Radford won 4 of the last 5 derbies? People used to moan like feck about our lack of derby appetite in other coaches' tenures. Can be seen as a positive of sorts.'"
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