True, unfortunately, save for a few games at FB early last year. Otherwise he's not really shone consistantly since 2006 . It pains me to say that as I've always been a big fan of Richard's.

swap whiting and hall for turner and calderwood first would be my priority.

It was bloody awful. Last two seasons all over again. Horne wasn't the worst player for us but all the plays that used to work for him are just not quite there any more.


Aye. Doesn't look fully fit even now TBH.

Not helped at all by those around him today mind you.

Completely Clueless today but he wasnt alone !!!

Not since 2006 on a consistent basis, although he did of course miss most of 2008 through injury.

Not been the same player since that injury in fact.

I am piffed off that Agar even played Horne..strapped up he should have used other options..maybe Turner (at least he is 100% fit!)..Agar under some serious pressure now, I think we will bounce back but his decisions have caused me some concern!! 5 more games for Agar max I would say.

Rich should follow the route of 100% recovery and fight for his place back via A team, however do not think he will hit the heights again

rest him fri. on dry hard ground he will be on the shoulders of our line breaking pack or off longy.

he be important to hull doing well this year cos I cant see a better player at the club in that position.

get turner in the centres.

bring cookie back




whiting should be given a run out at 6 and maybe try turner at 7

we cannot keep Horne and washy in these positions like last year

washy doesnt bring any more to the team then horny, as for cookie??!! ill leave it at that.

Unfortunately, Horney was absolute garbage today, should be dropped for friday in my opinion. I know that many of the other 16 players performances weren't acceptable, but I can't rememeber the last game which he influenced in our favour.

Have to say I agree, looks a shadow of the player he once was and to be honest it looks unlikely that he'll be the player he was or even close.

As for Friday if Long is still out and Calderwood fit then I would move Tansey into the halfs, even though I'd prefer to leave him at FB but just think Horne/Washy combo failed yet again and dismally for creativity put Whiting at FB, Hall in at centre, Calders back on the wing and Turner in to partner Tansey in the halfs, leave Horne out. If Tickle 100% then he should come straight back in as he was a massive miss today.

TBF I dont think the players in the 17 played terribly just that either the gameplan sucked or they didnt carry it out as instructed and we seem to go back to clueless dumb rugby ala last season. Its upto Agar now to show his coaching credentials and turn this defeat around with a strong performance on Friday with out without Long.

Horne is just a passenger these days. Whether its down to injuries or ability I would like to think we are looking to replace Horne.

Hate to say I told you so.

The difference is that I was willing to give him a few games to show whether he'd turned it around from last season. Doesn't look like he has, although he certainly wasn't 100% fit.

At the very least he needs to step aside until he [iis[/i 100% because ATM he's not producing the goods.

Reckon he's on min £100k p.a. and has another season to run after this one. We were too quick to offer him a 3 year contract after his injury in 2008. Has produced the odd flash of brilliance but his last great game was in 2004 which says it all

Long term I think we have in Turner, unfortunately I think we need something a lot sooner! I'd be tempted to give Turner a run of games at 6. Calderwood in for hall who will move to left centre, bin off yeaman, but 7 is the problem. Tansey? But then who goes to FB? I don't want Horne anywhere near the team ATM. We could move whiting there but who goes to Centre?

He is just holding us back now.

The simple option to me seems to be, 7.Berrigan 6. Washy/Turner and 9.Houghton. We don't need to panic.

but the thing is we are ,and we all had our reasons for this and just proved we were right with todays performance he cant produce without someone leading him around unfortunately

I believe Berro is more effective at 9

Which is why he should have never got a contract in 2008.

Id be less willing to move berro from 9 than Tansey from 1. I'm a firm believer that after your SH your 9 is the most important player.

Berrigan has good experience in the halves and would cause less disruptions.

He is a world class 9, he has not delivered for 2 seasons due to being shoved in the halfs, he looks good this year back at 9

He's never played much 9 in his career.